Davy51 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I know one of his countrymen. He wasn't a good man ,he got rid of his enemies to preserve his absolute power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Filthy conscience, where did you get that from, you've gone from being ignorant on the subject to being a prat, it's the Turks bombing the curds, you were wrong. The Russians are bombing opposition to Assad, but not the curds at the moment. If you had bothered to read what I wrote, instead of dreaming up crap insults, I said there were no easy answers and no happily ever after for the Syrians, the best we can do for them is to stop the war, which includes barrel bombs. To stop the war someone has to win. I would rather Assad win., for me better the devil you know, take alook at Libya, and the mess it's in, after the west got rid of Gaddafi, are you going to say it's a safer place now?, And then look at Iraq, same question is it a safer place now than it was under Saddam, I think you will find more people are dying now than died under his regime. There are no good answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 ................... It is a sad state of affairs that the entire western alliance as well as the Mexicans and Australians who have all suffered at the hands of this death cult (another Sky cliche) can't take out a bunch of rag tag wannabe soldiers mostly made up of western born it geeks and former Tesco shelf stackers One would expect that with so many powerful countries opposed to ISIS that it would be easy enough to get rid of them. So the question must be; Are they really interested in getting rid of them? What goes on behind closed doors of our own Town Council is shocking enough so I imagine that what goes on behind closed doors of all these so called civilised countries would be infinitely worse. It's inconceivable to me that the problem couldn't be sorted if the will was there. Where are ISIS getting their money and arms from? without these they wouldn't be able to operate. How are they getting arms into the country? They are obviously not operating alone. Any country truly interested in defeating Isis should ensure no funds/arms leave their own shores to fall into terrorist's hands. They should also stop trading with any country who is helping ISIS to survive. Take for instance Turkey. I was shocked to read that ISIS are raising funds by selling cut price oil in Turkey. Are we to believe that they are getting it into Turkey without the authorities knowing? and who is buying it? Turkey wants Europe to send money to set up camps for immigrants/asylum seekers - not a good idea because the more immigrants they allow over the borders the more money they will receive, a nice little earner that would be for them! And how do we know they wouldn't be siphoning off cash to send to ISIS? The EU should halt their application for membership - (why they ever even considered letting them join in the first place is beyond me.) They should be told that unless they stop the sales of ISIS oil a complete embargo will ensue. All flights to Turkey will be stopped (crippling their tourist industry) and the Uk will not import any Turkish goods etc. etc. Wars can be resolved without resorting to bombing and killing innocent civilians. There would be many means by which other countries could also be stopped from aiding ISIS - even the Yanks - if the will was there. But unfortunately I don't think the will is actually there 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Think your right Sha: given the power of the combined powers now involved, it should be quite easy to terminate ISIL. The problem is, the various "powers" are operating on their own self serving agendas (as ever), Turkey is clearly pro-ISIL and anti-Kurd, and opposed to a secular dictator like Assad. Meanwhile, the Saudis are unofficially sponsoring Sunni based rebels against Assad, and the UK is tied to Saudi for economic reasons. So, one big complicated mess, that the various players are not motivated to resolve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 One of the panellists on the BBC's Question Time programme tonight stated that "You can't bomb your way to peace"..... They must have been absent from school when the end of WW2 was being taught then ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 it's the Turks bombing the curds, you were wrong. The Russians are bombing opposition to Assad, but not the curds at the moment. Let the Russians take out all opposition I was responding to your war cry to let the Russians take out ALL opposition to Assad. The Syrian Kurds are opposed to Assad ergo. Not sure who the curds are opposed to, that's whey above me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Now as I said, I do not understand well enough what is going on on the ground in Syria to come up with a solution to the mess. It is far too complicated. I only know the same as Kije and Observer . In the past on this forum there have been other answers to the IS problem put forth by various posters on here including nuking them and infecting them with ebola. I imagine that they considered this a solution too. What makes me laugh is that they both have the solution to this awful and complicated situation which has the rest of the world stumped. Like I say, you don't have solutions merely guesses and those guesses seem to involve killing a lot of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 The Kurds have been fighting for many years for a homeland of there own, When Britain an France drew the borders of the Crounties in the Middle East, they did it for there own political ends, they did not take ethnicity or tribes into account, The Curds ended up in at least three different Countries and without a state of there own, and have been fight ever since. A lot of the troubles in the region can be traced to France and the U.K., they exploited the end of the Otterman Empire and carved it up for there own ends PJ. You seem very quick at putting possible solutions down, if you don't feel able to give one of your own, fair enough, give us what you would consider a good outcome, and we can back track from there PJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Thanks for the history lesson, that will really help me to come up with the answers lol. A good outcome? Well the uninformed could stop pretending that they have THE SOLUTION to a problem that will, in all probability, still be going long after they have shuffled off this mortal coil and is clearly beyond their understanding and control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I would not, however, be placing all my trust and faith in Putin and his philanthropic desire to help both Syria and the West deal with IS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I have no doubt Putin it there pure a simply to keep access to warm sea ports for his navy which Assad gives him, I do not trust him, but to keep access, he is willing to end the war in Assads favour, and is now re arming the Assad army. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Some people just never learn. He isn't there purely to protect his warm water port, it's much more complicated than that, hence no answers on here just guesses and wishes and they will solve nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 If you think Putin is there for other reasons other than warm water ports and a projection of power to his own people, I would like to here them PJ, at the moment you are behaving like a politition, condemning others but giving nothing away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 well you already added to your original assertion that he is only there for the warm water port, keep going and you will get there without my help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Thought the second one was obvious, I didn't think I needed to spell it out, you insinuate you know more but when pressed you become very defensive and offer nothing, I have now asked you a few times, and you give nothing, I can only assume you have nothing to give PJ, which is sad, if you have nothing to give to the debate don't bother to post in it. So give me your complicated answer to why Putin has gone in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Thought the second one was obvious, I didn't think I needed to spell it out, you insinuate you know more but when pressed you become very defensive and offer nothing, I have now asked you a few times, and you give nothing, I can only assume you have nothing to give PJ, which is sad, if you have nothing to give to the debate don't bother to post in it. So give me your complicated answer to why Putin has gone in. I fear it seems to have proved too difficult for you to grasp. Assume what you wish Kije, I find it amusing. I am not here to fix the world, I can't , I will leave that to such mental giants as yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I will give you a clue as to one of his reasons, look North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Spell it out PJ, give me your complicated reasons?? You don't seem to want to do it!!! I don't mind waiting while Google yourself a quick answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 google is your friend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 You don't seem to want to do it!!! at last you got something right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 but if you crane your neck and look north you may see the blindingly obvious. I wouldn't sanction craning your neck too far though lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 at last you got something right. Is it because we will find out you actually know nothing, I don't mind educating you, I have already told you about the curds, we could consider this thread a education for you. You already know more than when you started Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Little Miss Moffat, I know the difference between curds and Kurds, can you say the same? Also I have provided you with enough information to another reason for Putin's move into Syria so now it can't be said that you are completely clueless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I don't like the idea of the Yanks sending their small band of special forces in to help Assad's opponents when they are the people that Putin seems to be targeting. We are only one stray bullet or one badly aimed bomb away from a major conflict between East & West. Also, i wonder if the statement about the airport at Sharm will make it easier for Mr C to commit our forces to the unholy alliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 The only reason this mess is complicated, is because of the diverse motivations of the international community; the solution is quite simple - ISIL has to be exterminated asap; and this will require competant boots on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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