observer Posted May 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 I don't think the 1945 Attlee Labour Government expected to win that election either, but it didn't stop them clearing up the mess left by war, righting the wrongs of a class ridden society and introducing the welfare state. Perhaps they had a passionate belief in their convictions and an altruistic view of their part in improving the wellbeing of their fellow man?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 I don't think the 1945 Attlee Labour Government expected to win that election either, but it didn't stop them clearing up the mess left by war, righting the wrongs of a class ridden society and introducing the welfare state. Perhaps they had a passionate belief in their convictions and an altruistic view of their part in improving the wellbeing of their fellow man?! plus they had probably never heard of "Expenses" or "allowances" just a wage for doing the job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Their altruism was stronger than their avarice, certainly in the case of Labour in those days, as for the Tories, it was accepted that greed was simply the nature of the beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 I'm not sure but I think I read somewhere that the word Tory does mean thief or robber????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Thats true, and over the years the Tory name has been used to describe political parties at both ends of the political spectrum. However calling someone a robber doesn't make it true anymore than calling someone a socialist would mean he has your best interest at heart either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Thats true, and over the years the Tory name has been used to describe political parties at both ends of the political spectrum. However calling someone a robber doesn't make it true anymore than calling someone a socialist would mean he has your best interest at heart either. Sadly I have now lost all hope that a socialist party represents this country, or ever did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 The nearest we've ever come to a "socialist" Government was the 1945 Attlee Government, which slayed many dragons and left a worthwile legacy in the welfare state - sady, subsequent, short termist, tory governments have sacrificed our collective wellbeing at the altar of individual avarice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 I think I like you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 BTW I like your avtar! Perhaps it should be compulsory sign in all political and institutional premises?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 as an independent parish councillor I am thinking of using it as a logo should the need arise, far more altruistic than a rose or torch don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 Sort of the " nil bovine scatology" Party?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 would it get your vote though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 as an independent parish councillor I am thinking of using it as a logo should the need arise, far more altruistic than a rose or torch don't you think? The torch got changed to an Oak tree...interesting really as the Oak is the climax vegetation of England and the lowlands of Scotland....although if global warming does occur that might have to change to the Cedar or Palm tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 18, 2008 Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 The nearest we've ever come to a "socialist" Government was the 1945 Attlee Government, which slayed many dragons and left a worthwile legacy in the welfare state - sady, subsequent, short termist, tory governments have sacrificed our collective wellbeing at the altar of individual avarice. You are indeed right about the Attlee Government...and at a time the UK was in effect bankrupt through WWII, and history does and will judge it rightly as one of our greatest Governments given the circumstances of the day. However when I look around the world, the legacy of socialism is not a good one, indeed the personal avarice of socialist leaders is unbelievable and disgraceful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2008 As with most situations; it's not ideology that corrupts mankind, but mankind corrupting an ideology! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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