observer Posted July 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 It's an ongoing situation, aspects of which make the news from time to time - you choose to ignore the problem - I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 But as you have said, you have nothing new to add, thus proving my point. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 OMG..... when will it all end as it's starting to hurt now LT... what do you suggest should be done to ease, or better still sort, the escalating problem ? Of course you and anyone else can chose to ignore this post just like my others and I don't really mind as I realise this is another of the more 'selective' conversations between close(t) friends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Lt Kije, why will you not answer my question as to why you want to stop any mention of immigration on this forum? It isn't a difficult question although you may need to put your thinking head on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Perhaps as he has no answers, no solutions to offer, he just doesn't want to talk about it - it's called denial ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Because your question is crap, I don't want to stop any mention of immigration, but as Obs has now admitted there's nothing new to add, its just recycled crap, fair enough if there's something new, but as he has admitted their isn't , I would question and have questioned his motives for keeping bringing it up. He has no new point to make, everyones position is clear to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 So your answer to any question you don't want to answer is that the question is crap? Sounds like a fair enough cop out to me, although I doubt you would accept that from anybody subject to any of your questionable "questions". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 The question you asked was crap but I did answer it, its a shame Obs undermined you on this one, as he has admitted to having nothing to add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 17, 2013 Report Share Posted July 17, 2013 Just as I thought ........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Errm, don't think your position is "clear to all" Kije; haven't heard you come up with any answers to illegal immigration yet. Surprised you've not grasped at the latest luvvie straw, by claiming that we need immigrants to pay for our growing elderly demographic; which totally ignores the fact that asylum seekers are tax consumers (food & accommodation, legal aid etc) rather than tax payers; and that most legal entrants are in low wage, low tax jobs; so will be consuming more than they pay in tax. It's a total mess, caused by the inertia of our political class and the ease with which our generous benefits system can be abused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 As successive governments have found out Obs, its not that easy, well it is in your small mind,there are no short term answers. So when you have nothing to add to a debate why keep bringing it up?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 But it is "that easy", given a glimmer of political will - problem is, defeatist attitudes like yours are currently running the Country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 No its not, or it would have been done, It just looks easy to the ignorant. If it came down to it would you take a cut in your pension so the immigration authorities had more staff???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 18, 2013 Report Share Posted July 18, 2013 Anyway.... ...this: It's gonna be a bumpy ride for some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Anyway.... ...this: It's gonna be a bumpy ride for some people. It would be a very bumpy ride if they try that one...... I would imagine a landslide victory for UKIP!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Don't think it's a case of "trying" Baz; "they" are succeeding by neglect. Kije, it's not just a case of having adequate UKBF resources; they need the powers and freedom to return "illegals" to place of origin AS SOON AS they are arrested; no detention centres, no HR lawyers, just a secure waiting room at the port/airport, and next plane home. IF the individual "claims asylum", having travelled half way round the world, out comes the atlas and they get sent to the next nearest country to their country of origin. Likewise, the million or so involved in the UKBF backlog, forget asylum appeals, just treat them all as refused and start deporting them ASAP - sorted. It will of course require our exit from the ECHR, in order to neutralise the luvvie HR lawyers. Having sorted that, we then have the problem of over a million Meercats from the EU to sort; which basically requires our exit from the EU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Are you not answering the question Obs? Your last post was a give away for the thread, it was to rant again, trouble is its the same rant as last time. And the time before that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 No, you just choose to ignore it, cos you don't want answers; just stick your head in the sand, and pretend it's not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Immigration has been talked about many times on here, you are re hashing your old rants with nothing new to add, so what do you hope to achieve by continually bringing up the subject? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 As I've said (ad nauseum), this is an ongoing political mistake and social disaster; with fresh examples of just how crazy it is, appearing from time to time. The latest one being, the House of Commons select Cttee report on the UKBF appeals backlog (hence this topic). Which, in itself, demonstrates the incapacity of our main-stream luvvie politicians to organise a party in a Brewery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 So what do you hope to achieve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 A discussion on a topical issue, which would seem to be the point of a forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 But as you have already admitted, you had nothing new to add to it, and you end up posting exactly the same as you did on the umpteen immigration threads you have started. So I will ask again what are you hoping to achieve by keep bringing up immigration when it has been discussed many times and you have nothing new to bring to the debate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 19, 2013 Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 There's an economic case in favour of increasing immigration, it seems: ...immigration has a positive effect on the public sector’s debt dynamics... So say the Office for Budget Responsibility. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/migrants-needed-to-pay-for-nhs-spending-or-britain-will-go-broke-says-obr-8714224.html?origin=internalSearch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2013 Think you need to specify exactly what kind of immigration; high paid - high tax jobs yes. But if immigrants are low paid and or paying no tax, they represent a burden not an asset. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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