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  1. On ‎29‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 1:08 PM, observer said:

    Generally accepted based on elections in Hungary, Czech, Poland, Austria and US, plus our referendum result !  :D    And everything to do with the "windrush thing", as this was the cock up seized on by Liebour to conflate and criticise  Gov immigration policies in general. under the heading of "hostile enviroment",   turning the debate into one of immigration policy in general - so blame Abbot and Lammy.  btw: the Windrush injustice has been going on under successive Govs , INCLUDING Labour.   :rolleyes:   As for your last sentence -  think we covered Cambridge Analytica  elsewhere,  as being a complete red herring.   :ph34r:

    I can't work out if you think the Windrush thing went too far, or not far enough. For me there are far too many possible unintended consequences, as we have seen.

    It also reminds me of a bloke I used to work with, bit of a rough diamond but without the diamond bit. Depending where he was and who he was with, he was known to spit in his beer and he made sure he was seen to do it. He could then leave it unguarded without the fear that someone else would take it. If you make somewhere less of a place that people want to be, you're gonna end up with somewhere that's a but rubbish.

    "...think we covered Cambridge Analytica  elsewhere,  as being a complete red herring...."

    Well you may think we did, but that's just your opin...oh, never mind.

    Still, what's wrong with a bit of electoral manipulation so long as you get the result you want eh?

  2. On ‎29‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 12:16 PM, Confused52 said:

    What is the issue in your mind with the Cambridge Analytica stuff. The misuse of peoples likes on Facebook or the existence of Political advertising at all. In the UK Corbyn used the effect whereby young peoples us of social media kept them on-side within an echo chamber of their choosing and prevented them from seeing an alternative view. It was easily sidestepped here by looking somewhere else as indeed you choose to do, Fugs. But in the states the paid advertising was more of an issue, what your view?

    Main issue is people being targeted with tailored information to influence their voting behaviour without their knowledge or consent: this is not the same method used by Corbyn or Obama. Vote Leave may have exceeded the amount of spending that is allowed for this kind of activity. It's easily sidestepped by me 'cos I don't go anywhere near Faceache.

    How much influence this had has yet to be determined, and some think it's minimal (the same people seem to be overly concerned about voter fraud, which we know is minimal), but you've only got to look at the people behind these companies (eg Robert Mercer) to smell a rat. And why, if the influence is minimal, would Vote Leave choose to spend around half their campaign budget on this (around (£4m).

  3. "Generally accepted opinion..."

    But that's still only generally accepted opinion in your opinion.

    And it's still bugger all to do with the Windrush thing.

    Then there's all that Cambridge Analytica stuff in all those elections you mention.

     

  4. 3 hours ago, observer said:

    Under the general heading of "immigration" policy,  or is that too difficult ?   :rolleyes: Meanwhile, we're getting the drip. drip of attacks on Amber Rudd from the libtards, over such things as "targets".  Of course there should have been, should be "targets"; the objective being to deport all "illegal" migrants from the UK asap.     Now we've the added saga, of NHS recruitment; well aside from recruiting and training indigenous people;  any shortfall, can be made up on the basis of temporary, time limited visas (thus legal) for required skills - but it appears that's too difficult for the HO.   :ph34r:

    Ah, so this is yet another thread about your favourite hobby horse not so cunningly disguised as a thread about something else.

    One. Trick. Pony.

  5. 1 hour ago, asperity said:
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    "It appears that, not only in this country, ... voter fraud is endemic"

    That's a lie for which you have no evidence whatsoever.

    So yes you did, in effect, call me a liar. Getting bored with your insults now.

    "So yes you did, in effect, call me a liar"

    So, you can see the difference;it was an implication, not an accusation. You see, I don't think it's your lie, I don't think you've dreamed it up yourself, you've got it from somewhere and you obviously, for some reason, believe it. And, for all the brickbats I get on here, I'd say that's pretty tame.

    Bored or unable to support your case?

  6. 5 minutes ago, observer said:

    No such thing as "facts" at the end of the day, just perceptions, feeding opinions.     :D

    "No such thing as "facts" at the end of the day..."

    I'm just gonna park that there.

    Mind you, it does explain all the pigeon chess on here.

  7. 15 minutes ago, observer said:

    What I find amusing, is the way the "cut and post" generation provide links as if they were gospel;  bit like countering a Daily Mail article with one from the Guardian.  At the end of the day it's all "opinion", and everyone's differs, based on their own prejudices, experience or programming.     :rolleyes:

    I don't provide links as gospel, I provide them as evidence or information to support my view.

    What I find amusing are people who will not shift their position when presented with overwhelming evidence contrary to their opinion. Oh, and those who get all their "information" off the telly.

    As I've said here more than once, everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. If you conflate facts and opinions or regard facts as opinions, that's where you could be going wrong.

  8. It's nothing to do with not liking what you say or just disagreeing with you.

    You're wrong about this.

    I've shown you that you're wrong about this.

    Yet you continue wanting to be wrong. It's as if you want to believe the lies.

    Either that's wilful ignorance, or it's for some kind of reason.

    Of course you don't have to explain yourself to me, but if you don't then I'm going to form my own opinions.

  9. 7 minutes ago, asperity said:

    Fugs, I don't have any "aims" to achieve.

    You have no compunction about calling people who you don't agree with "liars" however.

    Of course you do - you're pushing the right wing agenda.

    You said voter fraud was endemic in both the US and here and that's demonstrably untrue.

    Perhaps you could explain why you or anyone would do such a thing.

  10. 17 hours ago, asperity said:

    That's a statement for which you have no evidence whatsoever. I don't know why you have a problem facing reality Fugs.

     

    I think I have quite a bit more than you do, and that’s because what you’re peddling here is a lie.

    In the US, for example, “…it is more likely, …that an American “will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”

     

    https://www.brennancenter.org/analysis/debunking-voter-fraud-myth

     

    No doubt you’re familiar with Kris Kobach:

    “There has been no epidemic of noncitizens voting, despite Mr. Trump’s baseless claim (endorsed by Mr. Kobach) that he lost the popular vote only because of millions of illegal voters.”

    https://nyti.ms/2FTkkwP

     

    In the UK, a 2014 Electoral Commission report found that:

    “…there is no evidence to suggest that there have been widespread, systematic attempts to undermine or interfere with recent elections through electoral fraud.”

     

    https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/164609/Electoral-fraud-review-final-report.pdf

     

    A report published by Democratic Audit just last month, found that out of 30 million votes cast at two general elections and the Brexit referendum, only seven people were convicted of voter fraud:

     

    http://www.democraticaudit.com/2018/03/08/voter-id-at-british-polling-stations-learning-the-right-lessons-from-northern-ireland/

     

    Endemic you say?

    Don’t think so.

    Still, good Brexiteer that you are, you’ve no compunction about spreading lies in order to achieve your aims.

    I don't think I'm the one struggling to face reality.

  11. 11 hours ago, asperity said:

    It appears that, not only in this country, but in the USA voter fraud is endemic and for some obscure reason the left of centre parties are against any form of voter ID being put in place. I wonder why. (When I say left of center parties I include the Tories and the Republican party, otherwise known as RINO).

    "It appears that, not only in this country, ... voter fraud is endemic"

    That's a lie for which you have no evidence whatsoever.

  12. 17 hours ago, observer said:

    Don't think it was a Gov "initiative" to deliberately target W/Indian immigrants, but rather a sound policy that was mis-applied by jobs worths, and compounded by a lack of data; hence the need for a system that accounts for every bona-fide citizen.  There are still an estimated million illegal migrants unaccounted for, with more arriving every day. When caught, the usual routine is to apply for asylum, then the HR lawyers take over at tax-payer's expense in legal aid, and cases drag on for years. There is clearly a case for a system that provides speedy deportation of "illegal" entrants and proper records of ID for legal citizens.      :ph34r:

    Well, once they were aware it was a problem, they didn't deliberately stop targeting them either:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/23/how-amber-rudd-let-heartbreaking-windrush-suffering-drag-on

    It's not just the jobsworths, May carries much of the blame for this:

    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/windrush-theresa-may/

  13. On ‎22‎/‎04‎/‎2018 at 2:30 AM, observer said:

    One can see the liberal agenda at work here,  really milk this windrush saga and put the Gov on the defensive, thus weakening their resolve to sort immigration out. Now the liberals are attacking Gov plans to require proof of identity in order to vote, saying it will deter immigrants from voting - well of course it will, if they are here illegally. Still, a good indication of where they expect to get their support from.      :ph34r:

    This is one of the nastiest initiatives ever enacted by a UK government. Harassing innocent people who are legally resident here and ripping apart the lives of some of them.

    It's not any liberal agenda you have to worry about here.

  14. 2 hours ago, Davy51 said:

    What happened to the alleged far right bloke from Warrington who was arrested round Christmas time ?

    You mean this charmer?

    "Police said Christopher Lythgoe, 31, from Warrington, Cheshire, had been charged with encouragement to murder the Labour MP for West Lancashire, Rosie Cooper."

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/26/men-charged-members-banned-neo-nazi-group-national-action

    Oh, and "alleged"?

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