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  1. Those interested may like to see the original report from the IAM :- http://iam.org.uk/media-and-research/media-centre/news-archive/20505-casualties-increase-in-20mph-zones and the response made by 20's Plenty for Us :- http://www.20splentyforus.org.uk/PRel/bogusIAMrep.pdf
  2. Grey one Money for services comes from a completely different budget than capital items such as 20mph limits. Hence one does not affect the other.
  3. Not at all grey one. Just feel that there is no point in putting effort into those with entrenched views. However, I am pleased to hear that you never exceed 20mph on these roads anyway. Of course I am assuming that you are not one of those who don't drive sensibly. In which case you should be pleased that your "sensible" driving is now being endorsed by the law.
  4. Sorry folks I only commented because I wanted to clarify that spacing of signs is something WBC don't have any discretion on. You seem to be opening up a debate which is already history from several years ago. Since then the same conclusion that Warrington came to for its residential road speed limits has been endorsed by central government, local authorities and communities across the country. Its actually very simple. Do you want to endorse vehicles travelling at 30mph on residential, shopping and school streets? As interventions go, 20mph limits are affordable, the benefits wide and the downsides are negligible. And so, if you don't mind I will continue in my "dreamland" and you can continue in yours. Best wishes. Rod
  5. Well Dizzy, the Warrington pilots showed a 27% reduction in casualties on residential streets so is good evidence that they work. Results from around the country also echo this. Councillors around the country also think the same. You can see the councils representing 20% of the UK population on our website. And the benefits of lower speeds are wide which is why councillors and transport, health and other professionals all support wide-area 20mph limits. Whether it will "Work" for anyone I guess really depends on their values. Monitoring road safety, public health, child independent mobility, sustainability of travel, etc are all responsibilities of the local authority when it is unitary such as Warrington.
  6. Dizzy Yes Coffee Not mine, but Warrington's. Decision made with all party support after an extensive pilot. Also being done by most of UK's iconic cities. And there is increasing support from central government and Public Health.
  7. Yep, just off to "dreamland" now. Sleep tight!
  8. Dizzy I don't think they go on-line. The DfT regulation for a TRO is that it has to go on local paper. There is a change planned by DfT for local authority to be given discretion to use on-line publishing instead. Rod
  9. Dizzy Every one of the phases has been preceded by a Traffic Regulation Order including full disclosure in the local paper. Last week's Guardian has the complete list of roads in the final phases so that the public can comment. When planning the roll-out which was approved as you have said, the council managed to find further funds including a Local Sustainable Transport Fund which obtained new money from central government. They also developed a more efficient way if installing signage which has made considerable savings allowing earlier completion. The complete borough is now planned to be completed this calendar year. So the council has :- 1. Gained grants from central government to support and fund the roll out 2. Worked with suppliers on innovative ways to save money in the implementation I believe that both of these should be commended. Rod
  10. Bazj Sorry for the delay in replying, but I have been speaking at a national conference on speed management today. You are referencing a 2006 forum and since then there have been 3 new sets of guidance on speed limits and several changes in the TSRGD signage regulation. Now repeater signs and carriageway roundels are classed as "traffic calming devices" for the purpose of 20mph zones and the only requirement for physical calming in such zones is that there needs to be a minimum of 1 physical device in the zone. Basically the rules are that you have to have something at regular intervals to show that a 20mph zone or limit is so. In a zone this can be repeater signs and carriageway roundels or physical calming. In a limit it requires repeater signs or carriageway roundels but could also have physical calming in addition but not instead of. With regard to the ABD reference then they are simply not credible as they have not taken into account the 2011 letter from the Transport minister allowing the use of repeater signs and carriageway roundels as "traffic calming devices". So their advice is hopelessly out of date. Regarding the zones in Westbrook. If you think they are incorrect then I suggest you contact WBC about them. Greyman As usual you are just wrong. Police can and do enforce 20mph limits. Shortly they will be able to put offenders on a speed awareness course for exceeding 24mph in a 20mph limit. In addition there are cases in civil law where a driver has been found liable for an incident because he was exceeding 24mph in a 20 mph limit. Rod
  11. The placing and spacing of repeater signs is regulated by DfT in their Traffic Signs and Regulations Directive. It is not discretionary and if you have a wide area 20mph limit then you are required to follow these regulations. Hence, whilst it may seem inappropriate to require a sign in certain places the "blame" lies with DfT and not WBC. Best regards Rod
  12. Hi Dizzie You should contact your local police. But there is an advantage in also talking to parish and town councillor. If you are unhappy with the police response the contact your Police and Crime Commissioner, John Dwyer. Best regards Rod
  13. Hi Folks As I said, I do "pop in" to the forum occasionally and was rather surprised yesterday to see this article topical again. I understand that things are moving forward with regards to the 20mph roll-out in Warrington. I expect soon that you will see further traffic orders as per the original plan. Elsewhere there have been several announcements around the country on 20mph limits. Local authorities recently deciding on 20mph limits for most residential streets include Manchester City, Sefton, Wigan, St Helen's, Oldham, Nottingham, Rochdale. In fact now 50% of the Greater Manchester Boroughs are committed. In London there have been a number of new announcements. Just this month the City of London Corporation decided they will set a 20mph limit for all the roads in the "square mile" including main roads. Now 25% of London Boroughs are committed includiing most of the inner city boroughs. And Transport for London who manage the main road network have been putting in 20mph limits on some of their roads. Birmingham City Council has been putting detail on its plans for 90% of roads to have a 20mph limit. The Association of Chief Police Officers is re-writing its guidance to "toughen" up on enforcement of 20mph limits. By the way, I did meet Bazj over the summer at the Lymm Transport Festival. I can report that it all passed off amicably. Best wishes Rod
  14. Many thanks for what I can only describe as "gracious" comments from those who I have often robustly "discussed" matters in the past. I have "looked in" now and then but try to stick to what is probably my "specialised subject". My best wishes to the forum. Rod (Of course, no need for surnames or titles I hope in this place)
  15. Look, I was trying to help. The site I have given you allows you to note potholes and automatically inform the appropriate council. Once informed then they have to take it seriously. If you are interested in fixing potholes then use it. Regards
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