Rockcutting Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 In the reception area of my solicitors there is a large and ancient map of Warrington which clearly shows "Frog Hall" somewhere near where Froghall Lane now is. I was let off with a caution but do any of you know anything about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I was let off with a caution but do any of you know anything about this? Not knowing what the offence was or you p[ersonally I can say that I know nothing about it.(sorry could not resist) As for Frog Hall i am sure that some time back (probably years knowing my memory) there was a thread in which it was discussed. No doubt our esteemed? experts? will come up trumps on this one. As a youngster growing up in the area I always wondered if it was a rival to toad hall but that is kids for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I don't know anything about a Frog Hall but I guess there might well have been on as there still remains a Froghall Lane, but, my curiousity as been stirred as to what you did Rockcutting that merited you being given a caution? Come on..... Spill the beans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Frog Hall in Froghall Lane 1851. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Well done Alge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I tried last night and today and can't find anything at all other than what you already have Algy and that Frog Hall was close to the railway bridge (according to H Wells). Nothing on the 1841 or 1851 census for that area and it's not mentioned on the enumerators front sheets where they show the directions to walk. Froghall lane only seems to have had a few houses on it anyway although there . Comparing the 1831-51 tithe map with your map the road that Frog Hall was on looks to have been Rolleston Street in that time frame although I can't find Rolleston on the 41/51 census sheets or the enumerators cover sheet directions either even though it still exists today so I guess no one lived there. It used to be a straight road but then got changed and Rolleston is now curved and the top part of the road is now Paul Street. It's starting to bug me now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Peridot is correct, I have removed the original 1963 map and updated it with a new map in a later post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I saw the other posts Algy and I mentioned Rolleston.... are you playing mind games with me Frog Hall is on the 1849 map too but it seems to have another word after it and 3 others below but for the life of me I can't read what they say. Can you have a look and see if you can read it as it might be clearer on your pc Ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Dizzy beat me to it! I've been looking through the Census records too and also couldn't find anything. Google hasn't helped, or the few history books I have here. Looking at Algy's first picture again, I'm wondering if could actually be a small row of terraced houses rather than a hall in the true sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I saw the other posts Algy and I mentioned Rolleston.... are you playing mind games with me Frog Hall is on the 1849 map too but it seems to have another word after it and 3 others below but for the life of me I can't read what they say. Can you have a look and see if you can read it as it might be clearer on your pc Ta Sorry Dizz, we must have been posting at the same time and you just beat me to it . Sorry I can't make them out either, the lower print, the nearest I can get is "Joe Brown" and somehow I don't think that's correct do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peridot1 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Frog Hall disappeared when the Cheshire Lines Railway was built and seems to have stood roughly at the junction of Kendrick Street and Crosfield Street where the railway embankment and bridge over Froghall Lane is. Little appears to be known about it although there is a short passage about it when Froghall Lane and it's name is discussed in Warrington and the Mid - Mersey Valley by G A Carter. Certainly no photographs exist though it would have been demolished about 1884. Peridot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockcutting Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I think you lot out there are brilliant. The caution (Dizzy) was only "Don't be as stupid as Pryce and Hulme". My wife and I were only updating our wills. My grand parents lived in this area. How do you and Algy find this information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 It was nosey Cleo who asked what your caution was for RC not me....... I'm far too polite to ask things like that The sort of info I find is usually by looking at the things like the old Tithe Maps (1831-51) which are available to view on the 'Cheshire Archives and Local Studies' website here. You just type in the postcode or township of wherever you want to look then you can compare the Tithe Maps with modern day maps or Ordanance Survey maps of 1875 / 1910 etc side by side and also aerial views from the 70's / 2000 (where available) and you can also click to view landowners and occupiers at the time of the Title Map and land use etc etc. It's really addictive Here's the link http://maps.cheshire.gov.uk/tithemaps/ I also have a membership with Ancestry and Find My Past but they are a bit costly but I can't get myself to cancel them (don't tell my other half) I also use the old maps website that Algy uses and of course googling often comes up with all sorts of info too (but sadly not in the case of Frog Hall... damn !!.) I'm sure others probably know of more places to look for info too but that's what I usually use All in all though most things on here just get figured out / found out because of forum members knowledge and team work and boy is it addictive and fascinating at times although I must admit some of us (well ok me) do tend to become obsessed by a sudden 'need to know' and it sort of takes over from normal life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Frog Hall disappeared when the Cheshire Lines Railway was built and seems to have stood roughly at the junction of Kendrick Street and Crosfield Street where the railway embankment and bridge over Froghall Lane is. Little appears to be known about it although there is a short passage about it when Froghall Lane and it's name is discussed in Warrington and the Mid - Mersey Valley by G A Carter. Certainly no photographs exist though it would have been demolished about 1884. Peridot Nice one Peridot although that's really confused me now. Are you sure it was at the Junction of Kendrick and Crossfield Street ? From Algys 1851 map where it is named and also the 1849 one I saw it definatly looks to have been on the Frog Hall Lane / Rolleston Street junction rather than next to the Frog Hall Lane Railway Bridge and embankment further to the left which are also shown. What does it say in the book you mention ? Was it an hall (like a large house) or a hall (like a village hall or similar). If it was the latter then that would explain why we me and Tracey couldn't find it on the census records. I might have a look at some later ones leading up to when you say it was demolished. One think is for sure though.... 'Frog Hall' its a daft name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Squire Frog didn't think it was daft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 :lol: Maybe that's why it doesn't appear don't appear on the census lists...... they all vacated the premises for a few weeks to avoid the enumerator so that there would be no record of a family name and association and so no jokes further down the line. Maybe the family who originally lived there were the 'Ribbets', 'Hoppers' or 'Croakers' and that's how the hall got it's name. Should I look ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Go on....! Be a devil Dizzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I believe it was a French family Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 My Aunt used to live in the large house directly across from that junction (the other acute angle) and possibly my cousin may still live there if he inherited the house. Maybe living so close, he may have some info on this, I'll have to ask him. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 It was nosey Cleo who asked what your caution was for RC not me....... I'm far too polite to ask things like that Hey lady....! Don't you go calling me nosey just because I have a thirst for knowledge and am inquisitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 All in all though most things on here just get figured out / found out because of forum members knowledge and team work and boy is it addictive and fascinating at times although I must admit some of us (well ok me) do tend to become obsessed by a sudden 'need to know' and it sort of takes over from normal life Very true! How did you manage to turn up the 1831/51 tithe map? When I searched it was from 1878 which is an unusually late date and the hall is gone by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peridot1 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 I live off a Frog Lane lol...I'll dig the book out and post the passage later. I think where the Hall is marked on the 1963 Map above is where the old Doss Houses were (are) at what was the top of old Rolleston Street opposite Holly Lodge Hotel. Peridot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Peridot is correct I had Frog Hall in the wrong area (Not rolleston Street), here are the maps including the corrected 1963 map. The Plot was owned by:- Township: Warrington Parish: Warrington Plot №: 486a Owner: Lord Winmarleigh, James Marsh Occupier: James Marsh Plot Name: Cottages & Building Land Land Use: Building Area: 1 acres, 3 roods, 0 perches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 This is not the only use of Frog Hall in the area - one at High Legh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 This is not the only use of Frog Hall in the area - one at High Legh Interesting but a bit out of our domain, Nick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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