sadako Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 12 is way too old. I'd like to think that kids know right from wrong before they reach the second year of high school. Bigger punishments at home and in education are needed. I agree with Obs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 If your doing the hard sell, on holidaying in Egypt, your not doing a good job , perhaps they should sue, To be fair Egypt's government have other issues at the moment with being new, and reselling power off the army, it will not be top of their agenda , given time things will get better for all in Egypt Silly ar*e, these are poor people. How do they sue? No legal aid here. And I'm not trying, wouldn't even think of trying to sell Egypt. It's not my job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 So what age sadako? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 Max 10. Although I do think there could be ways of punishing younger kids without them gaining a criminal record depending on the crime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 12, 2012 Report Share Posted November 12, 2012 On your point about punishing kids depending on what they have done without giving them a record, I think that is a very good idea, I went with 12 as the age, for reasons I mentioned earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted November 13, 2012 Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 ...12 is too old 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2012 I readily agree with you sadako. An illustration for you that kids know the difference between right and wrong by the age of 10. Yesterday my 3 year old grandson came out with a mouthful of obsceneties, which earned him a spank. Obviously at 3 years old he had no idea what he was saying. He was just repeating something the street kids had said. My 5 year old grandson, his cousin, told him, "You shouldn't say that, it's very bad." So at 5 years old my grandson knows the difference between right and wrong. How? Because he has been taught to differentiate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 It does seem to be down to the way kids are brought up. I was brought up with the understanding that doing something wrong was painful. Didn't stop me from doing things wrong but i knew that once found out (and we always were) it was painful, all the more so when it was something really bad and you had the wait for the painful part, usually until your dad came home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 It does seem to be down to the way kids are brought up. I was brought up with the understanding that doing something wrong was painful. Didn't stop me from doing things wrong but i knew that once found out (and we always were) it was painful, all the more so when it was something really bad and you had the wait for the painful part, usually until your dad came home. Spot on SID. Spare the rod, spoil the child. It is all about focussing the mind.Sadly lacking these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Ok Cleo, If your 3 year old whilst playing pushed hid friend into the street, and he got run over and died, Murder, Manslaughter, or? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 surely 3 year olds shouldn't be playing out in the streets Lt K so the blame should be on the parent/carer/responsible adult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 True, they should not, but you only have to turn your head for a second, so Murder, manslaughter or other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 terrible accident..... and still blame the parents/adult as the tots should be in prams , wearing reigns/wrist straps or holding adults hands near roads. Are we perhaps digressing a little though as there's no way the age of criminal responsibility would be lowered to 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 I agree Dizzy, it was not me who was using a 3 year old as an example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Ok Cleo, If your 3 year old whilst playing pushed hid friend into the street, and he got run over and died, Murder, Manslaughter, or? You are just being stupid for the sake of it now. It would be a damned accident, as well you know, because kids do push each other when playing. Anyone with any sense wouldn't even consider it anything else but an accident. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 surely 3 year olds shouldn't be playing out in the streets Lt K so the blame should be on the parent/carer/responsible adult Here, kids of 3 years old and even younger do play in the street mainly because they can do because there is no fear of them being snatched etc., as in the UK. However, they do not usually stray away from the front of their houses so parents can keep an eye on them while they play. There is no heavy traffic through the streets, cars and trucks etc, just mainly tuctucs and donkeys and traders with their donkey and cart, and the kids know to get out of the way if any are approaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 I agree Dizzy, it was not me who was using a 3 year old as an example. Excuse me!? It was you who asked about my 3 year old grandson pushing another kid and asking would it be murder etc.,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Here, kids of 3 years old and even younger do play in the street mainly because they can do because there is no fear of them being snatched etc., as in the UK. However, they do not usually stray away from the front of their houses so parents can keep an eye on them while they play. There is no heavy traffic through the streets, cars and trucks etc, just mainly tuctucs and donkeys and traders with their donkey and cart, and the kids know to get out of the way if any are approaching. Only tuctucs and donkey with carts 'and the kids know to get out of the way if any are approaching' Sorry Cleo but that sounds blummin' dangerous to me and little tots as young as that should not be playing out on streets like that IMO even if the grown ups 'think' they are safe and 'know' what they are doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Child abductions average one a day in Egypt http://www.irinnews.org/report/95271/EGYPT-Rising-tide-of-child-abductions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Oh bugger off kije you really p**s me off! There have been no damned abductions around here! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Child abductions in the UK are rare, and when they happen, the media tend to focus in on them creating a media storm, at an average of one a day their is a lot more abductions in Egypt, perhaps if people were more a where their might be less of an issue. As to this There have been no damned abductions around here Should it not be There have been no damned abductions around here as far as I know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Kije, have you no housework to do??? Stop being pedantic and stick to the topic. In the case of a child pushing another into the path of an oncoming vehicle, wouldn't that be on the driver? Due care and attention? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Child abductions in the UK are rare, and when they happen, the media tend to focus in on them creating a media storm, at an average of one a day their is a lot more abductions in Egypt, perhaps if people were more a where their might be less of an issue. As to this There have been no damned abductions around here Should it not be There have been no damned abductions around here as far as I know There have been no damned abductions around here as far as anyone knows. This is a village not a town or city. If there was an attempted abduction, first of all it would be thwarted and the culprit handed over to the police and secondly it would pread through the village like wildfire. Stop trying to be all knowing on everything. You just aint and you are no authority on anything that happens half a world away from you! Now get back to the age of criminal responsibility or bugger off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Cleo I was replying to this Here, kids of 3 years old and even younger do play in the street mainly because they can do because there is no fear of them being snatched etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Go and sit in your corner and read quietly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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