algy Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 The sailing ship Sir Robert Sippings deperted Woolwich 18th March and arrived in Van Diemen's Land 8th July 1852 with 220 convict passengers all women. Here is a link to the manifest (too long to print). http://www.convictrecords.com.au/ships/sir-robert-sippings/1852 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Last from me I promise... I forgot to put this ealier with everything else. Surgeon's general remarks [on the voyage to Van Diemen's Land]. "The Sir Robert Seppings was a 'fine vessel' of 620 tons well adapted to carrying 220 female convicts from England to Hobart Town, Van Diemen's Land. The main hatchway had been fitted with iron bars instead of the large upright posts which tended to stop light and free ventilation. These were far superior to the wooden bars and the surgeon strongly recommends they be fitted on all convict ships. One of the water closets for the prisoners was fitted on the top with an iron grating, the invention of the Honourable Captain Dundas, 'it answered most admirably' and after a similar one was fitted to the other water closet they were never bothered with bad smells. When the women embarked the weather was extremely cold, the winds from the north east. The wind changed to south west after several days and there was bad weather. A very large number of cases are on the list, 337, and 6 died from various diseases, 11 were sent to the Colonial Hospital. There were no cases of continued fever which the surgeon attributes to the care paid to ventilation, cleanliness and dryness. The surgeon goes on to enumerate all the different diseases suffered, in the order in which they appear in the nosological synopsis, with the numbers of each and very brief comments on some individual cases. [There are no remarks relating to the journey to Norfolk Island and back]. Signed L T Cunningham, MD, Surgeon RN, Hobart Town, Van Diemen's Land, 20 October 1852." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Surgeons details, would you like to know the name of the ships cat?. Burial at Sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I do feel sorry for Bridget, she obviously had a hard life overall. I remember reading one of the witness statements who said she thought the screeching in the kitchen was Patrick 'beating his mistress', what a nasty, squalid, impoverished life they all lead. And that description of her as 'old and broken' is chilling. Neither of them very bright by the sounds of it, one of the Times articles said when they told her the sentence was commuted, they apparently had to tell her several times before she understood. The reason Patrick was desperate for the money was that he had failed to whitewash his boarding house (disease prevention I imagine) and was paying off a fine in instalments. So no municipal sanitation, just get the poor to pay for the futile gesture of whitewashing their houses and screw them for fines if they fail to do so. I dunno, I know Peggy deserves the most sympathy. I don't think Bridget was an angel by any means, at best she aided and abetted, hid the corpse. AT worst she was an accomplice, coolly concealing the crime when Patrick ran off. Maybe she feared for her own life? Awful lives all round. Anyway, last piece of the jigsaw for me, what happened to the bodies buried at the Jail when it was closed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I feel bad now and you are right Tracey. I feel sorry for her too especially as I've just found and read all 5 pages of the surgeons hand written medical notes for Bridget where he describes how she was on days, what she ate etc etc. Seems somedays she would only have arrowroot and wine and wouldn't take anything else. They really seemed to have tried their best to look after the sick onboard. She first became ill on 7th May and the notes span to the 14 June where he closes with 'This poor woman gradually sank and expired this morning at 8am' (note by 'sunk' he doesn;t mean in the sea he means she gradually faded away If you have an ancestry account I found them under Immigration & Travel - Passenger Lists - UK Royal Nacy Medical Journals 1817 to 1857.... and search Bridget Lyons BOB 1810 Whatever you do don't read the ones about the babies GULP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Anyway, last piece of the jigsaw for me, what happened to the bodies buried at the Jail when it was closed? No idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 They were removed and buried elsewhere in consecrated ground, proabably a cemetry, or, cremated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I feel bad now and you are right Tracey. I feel sorry for her too especially as I've just found and read all 5 pages of the surgeons hand written medical notes for Bridget where he describes how she was on days, what she ate etc etc. Seems somedays she would only have arrowroot and wine and wouldn't take anything else. They really seemed to have tried their best to look after the sick onboard. She first became ill on 7th May and the notes span to the 14 June where he closes with 'This poor woman gradually sank and expired this morning at 8am' (note by 'sunk' he doesn;t mean in the sea he means she gradually faded away If you have an ancestry account I found them under Immigration & Travel - Passenger Lists - UK Royal Nacy Medical Journals 1817 to 1857.... and search Bridget Lyons BOB 1810 Whatever you do don't read the ones about the babies GULP Dizz is it possible to send those details to me by email (or display them) please, I'm not on ancestry as after I had completed our family history I let it lapse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Anymore interesting historic murders Sherlock Algy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Oh great Dizzy, yes I do have an ancestry account I'll have a look. By the way, if anyone wants to see the Tims articles, let me know. I'm not posting them here because they were behind the paywall and I'm a bit worried about copyright etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Found it Dizz. I'm not sure giving her wine 'ad libitum' as a treatment did much to help! The last entries are awful, the bit about her body emitting 'a strong cadaverous odour' is horrifying. I'm staying well away from the babies thank you very much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Trace, I would like to take you up on your offer and shall send you a PM with my email address, much appreciated thank you. algy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Opps I've downloaded them for you too Algy as I saw your post just before I popped out and did them when I got back without checking back on here... do you want them twice Obs' fault as I went on the hunt for potted shrimps again... I've got some and I must remember to tell him later. Glad I downloaded them though as there are actually 8 pages of medical notes for her not 5 as I previously said and I must have skipped some when I read earlier. So thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 I've sent him Times articles Dizz, not the Ancestry stuff so hopefully we've not duplicated ourselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Oooh I've not sent him/uploaded anything as I though that was what he meant you were sending. Will do it in a few mins Algy What was the Times article Tracey? Brain freeze Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Will try to upload here first incase Cleo (or others who may have been interested :lol: ) don't have ancestry and wants to read them. Not sure if they are clear enough to read though on here. Let me know and I'll delete them if you can't. Page 1 of Bridget's Lyons Mediacl Notes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Pages 2 and 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 page 8 (just a bit top left before it goes onto the next person) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Algy, the origs which are much easier to read and zoom should be with you any sec now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracey Bennett Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Mine were just the articles from The Times about the murder. A lot of them were basically duplicates of the Manchester Guardian articles but there were a few snippets of new information in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 Thanks, Dizz and Tracey for the information, 'excellent stuff' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 8, 2012 Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 So what's next then Algy as I'm a tad bored now it's ended. That was fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted November 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2012 So what's next then Algy as I'm a tad bored now it's ended. That was fun I honestly don't know. I think we were extremely lucky in that there was a wealth of subject matter available on their crime especially as one of you discovered that Bridget had been shipped of to Australia. I shall keep digging and delving and hope I come across something worthy of our time and attention, thanks to Dizz, Cleo and Tracey for the detective work, we got off to slow start but finished with a flurry!!! This is a bit morbid but ends the topic as it ended for Bridget Lyons. Burial at Sea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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