Cleopatra Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 One, maybe two, you could call it an alleged crime, but when a few girls, all unrelated and living in different parts of the country all give similar accounts it has to be considered more than an alleged crime. Dead or alive, he committed crimes against those kids. Anyone who defends him should be ashamed of themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I listened to a programme on the radio during a recent drive back from Basingstoke and it was in light of the recent events with the Megan Stammers girl and her teacher. They interviewed a teacher whose career was utterly detroyed by a girl pupil who claimed he had sexually assaulted her. He did time and lost everything. She was backed up by another girl who also claimed he had assaulted her too.... 10 years later, it turned out they were both lying. The teacher had rejected advances from the first girl and he enlisted the second girl to make up stories to use against him. The girls were never prosecuted by the way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I know of a similar case, which ended up breaking up a family - so much for child line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 So are you saying their should be no child line Obs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 So are you saying their should be no child line Obs? god, you really are a pain in the arse Kije..... you constantly ask questions of people and then when pushed, you reply with more questions and contradictions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 2, 2012 Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 I think child line does a good job, sadly there will always be people who use the system to gain advantage, Craig Charles fell victim when he was accused of rape and it nearly ended his career. When people do abuse the system they should be punished. Rape is a terrible crime and to accuse someone of it falsely should be punished by a prison sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2012 Do you imagine a 12 yo girl being punished for making false allegations against her father via child line, which lost him his job and family; would actually happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 One, maybe two, you could call it an alleged crime, but when a few girls, all unrelated and living in different parts of the country all give similar accounts it has to be considered more than an alleged crime. Dead or alive, he committed crimes against those kids. Anyone who defends him should be ashamed of themselves. Hang on Cleo!, personally I could never stand the bloke, just seeing his demeanour made my flesh crawl, but shouldn't we wait until an investigation has proven the allegations before his effigy is burned at the stake, if we criminalise everyone on hearsay surely that would be wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Hang on Cleo!, personally I could never stand the bloke, just seeing his demeanour made my flesh crawl, but shouldn't we wait until an investigation has proven the allegations before his effigy is burned at the stake, if we criminalise everyone on hearsay surely that would be wrong. Well according to reports it was commom knowledge at the BBC for decades. Paul Gambacini lifted the lid on the whole affair. The few BBC employees who raised the alarm were either ignored or threatened with dismissal. He said that Saville had such a powerful standing at the BBC that the affair was covered up. And claims he heard Saville threaten if anything was done his charities would be deprived of millions of pounds in donations and charitable funds at Stoke Mandeville Hospital would dry up. Seems Mr Nice Guy was a nasty guy out of the public eye. There is no smoke without fire. It is on record that in 2007 he was interviewd by police after one of his victims complained about him abusing her. For whatever reason, the CPS decided there was not enough evidence to charge him. Now had the others come forward at the same time it would have been a different story. Just a shame they were too afraid to say anything till after his demise. Ten women have now all come forward with simillar stories of being abused by him when they were round 14-16 years old. There could well be any number of others who have still not come forward. The only investigation required is into why the BBC covered up the affair instead of doing something positive about it, like notifying the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 The only investigation required is into why the BBC covered up the affair instead of doing something positive about it, like notifying the police. I agree Cleo, there is no smoke without fire but after stating that we really do require proof regarding who started the fire and who's adding fuel, I'm definitely not defending the guy and if it is proven without doubt that he assaulted these young girls sexually or otherwise then his reputation (and there is nothing else that can be affected as he has gone) should be reviled and his so called knighthood should be rescinded, but at least wait for the outcome of the investigation before jumping to conclusions. No doubt the only winners in this will be the 'gutter' press yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I am not jumping to any conclusions Algy, me ould devil's advocate. I am basing my conclusions on what has been stated by people in the know and at this late stage, with the perpetrator dead and buried, that is all any investigator is able to do. I really do not see any of those involved in the whole sorry affair saying anything different in an investigation to what they have already claimed publicly. And if any invesigator arrives at a different conclusion,I for one would want to know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I was once passing a news kiosk in London, where two mature ladies were choosing what magazines to buy, I overheard one lady say to the other, "Oh look...! A newspaper with only happy news in it. Glancing in their direction I saw she was holding a copy of..... wait for it..... Gay News! But wouldn't people complain if newspapers exclusively published only happy news? Wouldn't they then be asking for more a meatier content? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Kije.... just cos Jim fixed it for you to go camping with Gary Glitter when you were young; there's no need to stick up for him so much!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Think you'll find that joke has already been done Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Just a thought - can these late claims, become claims for compensation against his estate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 So your answer is to shut down child line Obs?, what about the thousands it helps every week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Huh? Where did that come from? Who said child line should be shut? I don't think Obs was implying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 It's just Lt Kije's little game - accuse someone of something they haven't done or said and then stand back and watch the fireworks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 soooo.....What's the point of raking up allegations about Sir Jimmy Saville OBE? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Asp Instead of playing your usual game, why don't you actually read what Obs wrote, looks like your wrong again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadako Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Can you quote it Kt Kije, because I have seriously missed something and would like to understand this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 He can't quote it because it doesn't exist. It's all part of his game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 I take it that is an admission then Lt Kije? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 It's all sort of getting a tad boring now but I guess Jimmy S will be pleased (if he can read from wherever he is) that interest on here at least has diminished and has been diverted towards someone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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