Cleopatra Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 I read an interesting letter today, commenting on a lady being interviewed on TV about poverty and not being able to provide her family with a hot meal while in the background could be seen a large flat screen TV, 2 games consoles and both of her children on mobiles. If that is poverty, they appear to have redefined the word. If the lady had sold all her possessions and was still unable to feed her children, I would define that as poverty. I want it all and I want it now! Remember that advert? I agree with you lady, they have redefined poverty. In my days poor kids wore shoes with holes in them and trodden down backs. Today the poor will only wear top label shoes, Nike, Reebok etc.,. In my days poor kids wore hand me downs. Clothes full of patches or holes. Clothes that were either too big or too small. Today they will only wear brand new top name labels. In my days there were no cd players, x-boxes, computers and mobiles etc.,. Today nearly every kid you see has a mobile stuck to it's ear, or, earplugs stuck in their ears listening to the latest tunes on their ipods. They are not getting those things for free (unless they are knock-offs). When I was a kid the main priorities were a roof over your head, three meals a day and a bed to sleep in and if you had those you had everything you really needed and we made our own entertainment. Today the main priorties appear to be expensive clothes, electrical gadgets, cars etc., and never mind the rest, just plead poverty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artie Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 its ok wearing hand me downs Cleo but it isnt funny when you have 4 sisters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Lmao.....Cutest little fellow anybody knows. Don't know what to call him but he's mighty like a rose. Wears his mother's make up, wears his sisters' clothes....Don't know what to call him but we think he's one of those....! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 well here's another one that will get the liberal luvvies in a tizzy.... Advertised in 2011; HR Director for Save the Children....salary: £80,000 http://jobs.thetimes.co.uk/job/407083/hr-director-global Fancy a job as Global Programmes Director with Save the Children?...advertised with an "Attractive six figure salary".... apply here: http://www.odgersberndtson.co.uk/gb/executive-opportunities/opportunity-details/?tx_llproxy_pi1%5Brequest%5D=nNmroWpjaJajop6xj6aWoMulqWDG059npqqrz8zTfZukxZ_QX8fWod2jzaaZmZ9okWpmnFqUpqhyy5-Y or how about a graduate trainee position with a charitable housing trust in Hemel Hempstead....£21,000 a year and apparently they have a "Programme" that recruits quite a few every year... Now don't get me wrong, but why is a charity recruiting graduate trainees? Surely they should be saving their money and getting volunteers who want the experience?? http://jobs.thetimes.co.uk/job/421550/graduate-trainees How about Director of operations for Diabetes UK? £80,000 a year plus benefits... http://www.odgersberndtson.co.uk/gb/executive-opportunities/opportunity-details/?tx_llproxy_pi1%5Brequest%5D=nNmroWpjaJajop6xj6aWoMulqWDG059npqqrz8zTfZukxZ_QX8fWod2jzaaZmZ9nmGxonlqUpqhyy5-Y Charity obviously begins at the directors bank accounts!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Lmao.....Cutest little fellow anybody knows. Don't know what to call him but he's mighty like a rose. Wears his mother's make up, wears his sisters' clothes....Don't know what to call him but we think he's one of those....! Mum used to buy my clothes from the Army & Navy Stores at Market gate, I was the only kid at St James's dressed as a Japanese Admiral - Bu' Bum! :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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observer Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Asp: these characters get these obscene salaries, simply because they can - the market place allows it; and unless you want the Gov to start capping top wages (including footballers); we're left with the option to just tax it and redistribute it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 So, what's all this got to do with whether people are eating well enough, or not? Bugger all, that's what. Not surprised to see the same old "I'm alright jack" attitudes here, from people living very comfortably in the "Real World". Some might say I haven't got a good word for people who don't give a toss about others, but I have. Oh yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 So, what's all this got to do with whether people are eating well enough, or not? Bugger all, that's what. Not surprised to see the same old "I'm alright jack" attitudes here, from people living very comfortably in the "Real World". Some might say I haven't got a good word for people who don't give a toss about others, but I have. Oh yes. It has everything to do with whether people are supposedly eating well or not.... Charities which claim to see child poverty in this country and claim that kids are going unfed are obviously failing to take note that it could well be the parents who are not feeding their kids and instead choosing to spend their money on TV's phones, holidays and cars and other such items. Those same charities; whilst begging for our money are quite happily paying eye-watering salaries to their directors... as for the "alright Jack" attitudes you so easily dismiss; if you or anyone else expect the likes of me to feel sympathy for anyone who doesn't put their kids first and feed them at the expense of themselves, you have another think coming (as my dad used to say) I agree that if people are claiming they can't afford to feed their kids whilst having the latest LED TV and Iphone, they have no rights to claim they can't afford food... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 It is assumption that they all have LED tvs, and iPods Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Nobody is assuming that they all have the items mentioned but it is a safe assumption that some of them do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 And because some of them do, then it must follow that poverty doesn't exist in the UK. And nobody is going short of food. No sirreee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Nobody is saying nobody is going without food - we are discussing the reasons why they ARE going without food - because they have their priorities all wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 So everyone who's going without adequate nutrition deserves it? I'd ask you the same question I asked obs in #17. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If they are spending their money on non-essentials then yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If some kids are going without food in this country it is shocking but if some are going without because of parental priorities then it is even worse but the parents should be deemed unfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If they are spending their money on non-essentials then yes And if they are not? Eagle - I don't disagree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 So give them less cash and more access to free or subsidised "essential" goods and services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If they are not then they are doing something wrong. in this day and age with child benefits and all the other benefits the parents are entitled to, and claim, there is no need for any child to go hungry, even if they only the basics to eat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artie Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 An empty sack wont stand up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If they are not then they are doing something wrong. in this day and age with child benefits and all the other benefits the parents are entitled to, and claim, there is no need for any child to go hungry, even if they only the basics to eat. It's the type and quality of food, not the quantity that's important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If they are not then they are doing something wrong Heh, you really don't do non-judgemental, do you? Let's hope you're never the victim of unfortunate circumstances lest people say it's your own fault. A couple of links for those who can be bothered: http://www.trusselltrust.org/real-stories http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/09/nick-cohen-starving-children-charity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Good links fugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 If they are not then they are doing something wrong Heh, you really don't do non-judgemental, do you? Let's hope you're never the victim of unfortunate circumstances lest people say it's your own fault. A couple of links for those who can be bothered: http://www.trusselltrust.org/real-stories http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/09/nick-cohen-starving-children-charity So why is it right for you to judge those on the forum whose views differ from yours? You don't know what our lives are like now or what difficulties, redundancies or losses we have suffered over the past 40/50 years. Reading that the definition of relative poverty is having an income below 60% of the median wage probably puts many of us on here at poverty level or below. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 So why is it right for you to judge those on the forum whose views differ from yours? I'll spare the mods the trouble of deleting my short answer to that, and it's not differing views I take exception to, it's blanket assumptions and presenting opinion as fact that bothers me. You don't know what our lives are like... Haha, some posters can't resist letting us all know just how comfortable they are. I've never earned the median wage in my life so I know just how difficult things can be, like I said earlier, being hard up isn't always down to fecklessness or poor budgeting. This is how desperate some people get, and it's not just because they can't have the latest flat screen telly or Skybox: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19523881 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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