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Of course the really simple answer would be for UK law not to recognise the validity of marriages performed in countries where this is a problem.

 

Too simple? Probably!

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I think that would be pretty tricky actually, you couldn't prove somebody was forced to marry just because they came from a particular country. And, this practice isn't specific to any one particular country or culture.

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The whole point is that it IS pretty specific to a particular culture and a small group of countries.

 

All you would have to do is require couples who have been to get married in, let's say Pakistan, to also have a UK ceremony in order for the marriage to be recognised under UK law. Of course, both parties are going to have to have the right to be in this country first - but that would also go some way to tackling the marrying for a visa scam.

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If the marriage isn't recognised and so the "groom" can't come here and live in the UK, then there's no profit in doing it and the practice will tend to die out.

 

It's already plenty illegal in the UK for under 16's to marry, and also to force or coerce an over 16 into going somewhere they don't want to go - that's kidnapping.

 

Personally, I'm not actually sure that it's possible to force someone into a marriage they really, really don't want when doing so means walking through an airport full of armed police. All the "bride" would have to do would be to start shouting and screaming and they'd soon be whisked away to a place of safety. But like I say, if you simply remove the incentive (the "groom's" right to reside in the UK) then the problem will go away.

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It probably would die out inky, but I think we should leed from the front, and help stamp it out by making it an offence.

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Sounds about right Ink; a requirement for all marriages to be confirmed in the UK (by a registrar); which would allow the bride the opportunity of saying "no" and possibly allow scam marriages to be spotted. :unsure:

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Even for folks moving here from, say, Salt Lake City?

 

There seems to be an assumption here that forced marriages only exist as a device for becoming a UK national.

 

I'm happy to be put right on that if I'm wrong.

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The problem has come to light so much because it is the families already living here in the UK who are pressurising girls (and some young men) to marry someone they don't know or the girls are being sent back to their 'home' country under duress, to be married. It is only the very brave who are able to run away or protest with any success as family honour is still so important in the cultures where this happens and there are real fears for personal safety.

 

Education from within the local community seems the best way forward as many modern ethnic community members don't support forced marriage, but it will take a long time to have any effect on the traditionalists.

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The reason that families send their daughters back to Pakistan to be married to a stranger is mainly financial. By marrying in Pakistan the daughter brings with her that right to UK residence for her husband as part of her dowry. If she were to marry someone who is already a UK citizen then the family would be expected to fund a much larger dowry.

 

Once the marriage has taken place, a child or two has been produced to cement the husbands rights, and the husband is established over here, most often no-one really cares if the wife leaves the marriage. As far as the husband is concerned she's served her purpose.

 

Of course, the wife then claims she was forced into the marriage in order to receive benefits and sympathy, and not to appear to be a party to an immigration scam. I still don't believe that it is possible to force someone who really, REALLY doesn't want to go abroad and get married to do so without running an huge risk of them kicking off at the airport and the police getting involved.

 

By all means make forced marriage an imprisonable offence - but treat it as the immigration scam it is and make it an offence for ALL those taking part, not just the brides parents.

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So, you reckon forced marriage is just an immigration scam and the victims aren't really victims but are secretly colluding in the said scam?

 

Well, here's what the people who know say:

 

Why does early and forced marriage happen?

 

  • gender inequality
  • poverty
  • negative traditional or religious practices
  • failure to enforce laws
  • conflicts, disasters and emergencies

 

http://www.plan-uk.org/early-and-forced-marriage/

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Well inky, there is a case going on now at Chester crown court, as you may be aware, where it has been stated that Shafilea Ahmed was given a drink laced with a sedative to keep her calm and not make any fuss on the day she was flown to Pakistan. So girls being taken to Pakistan to marry against their will wouldn't necessarily make a fuss and seek help at the airport and probably wouldn't be able to.

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Some strange cultures allow more than one marriage.....who on gods earth would want more than one wife? :D

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This is the result of liberal luvvie nonesense about "cultural diversity" which has resulted in seperate social development - perhaps when we get back to the idea that we're ONE Nation, ONE Society with ONE set of laws and cultural values; we may get some integration and assimilation. :angry:

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Some strange cultures allow more than one marriage.....who on gods earth would want more than one wife? :D

Someone who likes wedding cake maybe?

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One nation Obs, we have never been one nation, you a harking for something in reality we have never had. And what exactly do you mean by one nation?

 

And are you English or British?

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This is the result of liberal luvvie nonesense about "cultural diversity" which has resulted in seperate social development

 

And finally, obs jumps the shark.

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Can't believe you liberal luvvies, the evidence of the results of so-called "diversity" are strewn throughout history. For a start we've had two so-called "communities" in N/Ireland and look what that's brought. There was once a Nation State called Yugoslavia; albeit an artificial creation, which lived peacefully until Tito's death, then we got the ethnic cleansing of Balkanisation that micro-independence brings. Now we've got the Arab Spring, with the destruction of unified States, albeit repressive dictatorships; and the anarchy of warring tribal and sectarian factions. imo Anyone who enters this Country should integrate and assimilate - not develope parrallel societies. :angry:

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Nope - but the segregation that the liberal luvvies call cultural diversity; has allowed such practises to continue in our midst. Forced marriage is no more acceptable in our society than promiscuity would be acceptable in theirs. :unsure:

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