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The only way now to get into nursing is to do the degree, off the top of my head you need 250 UKAS points to get on the degree course. At the end of each module you have an exam which you can fail. This is definitely the system for, Manchester Met, Liverpool John Moores, UCLAN, Cumbria Uni and Edge Hill, as I have been to them all. If you fail a module you do get another chance to re sit. For the young this is now the only way into nursing.

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Bit of a tangent from your original topic, but still, what the heck. It's a perfectly natural aspiration for a given workforce to aspire to "professionalise" their job, to improve standards and qualifications; historically we've had Guilds and Trade Unions; with the downside of closed shops and restrictive practises. But what we need to consider, is the practical qualities and qualifications for any given "job". If we take nursing for example: the main quality required, I would suggest, is empathy with the patient and an ability to provide comfort and caring. One doesn't need a degree to empty bed pans, make up a bed or wash a patient, or indeed administer basic treatments. However, if one wishes to climb the ladder of promotion, into more specialist fields or management, additional training and qualifications would seem appropriate. But to have a blanket accademic approach is basically bulls**t baffling brains, and sadly detracts from the basic requirements that bring many into that profession in the first place. :wink:

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I completely agree Obs, and as I did a tour of universities with my daughter and spoke to nurses some of whom and done the job for years all agreed it was a bad idea.

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The only way now to get into nursing is to do the degree,

 

Kije, a degree is not necessary until Sept 2013. Up till then a diploma in nursing is sufficient.

To work in the NHS, nurses must hold a degree OR diploma in nursing 
(a “pre-registration” programme), which leads to registration with the 
Nursing and Midwifery Council (NMC), enabling them to practice as a nurse. 

Training to be a nurse.

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Kije....

 

you really do talk some shit at times and your original post is the biggest pile of it so far.

 

You are quite prepared to hand over British money, British jobs and everything else that is British to a bunch of unelected and defeated nations in the vain hope that we may one day benefit in some way whilst all the time advocating every foreigner under sun coming here and taking jobs from our own people and then bringing every other hanger on they can then scam in due to stupid EU laws and regulations?

 

Wavy Davy hit the nail perfectly on the head regarding your first post and it is no different to the kind of attitudes that you accuse and vilify others for showing.

 

We should pay decent pensions for our elderly because we should. It should be done at the expense of all other benefits including ANY benefits to foreigners who happen to be "entitled" because of some EU decree...

 

This copuntry is in the mess and the state it is in; not because a few bankers nicked a few quid here and there, but rather because people like you have sold us down the river for the past 30 years

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With you there Baz :wink:

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No problem with paying pensions of what ever amount Baz, the problem is who pays? At the moment it is the young that pay for it, who will pay for them, and should we not broaden the shoulders of the people paying. How would you solve it.

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The Telegraph is a Tory paper so, in your eyes, not to be believed Lt Kije.

 

When you say it's the young who pay the pensions, you must believe that everyone below pensionable age is young, or is there a cut off age above which tax and NI is mysteriously not used for pensions? Even OAP's have to pay tax you know. :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Mostly Asp, but we have dumped PFI's on the young, and the cost of uni education, so when the young start out on their tax paying career they are already in debt. They have more to pay, will pay for longer and receive alot less. It is not the FAULT of the retired!!. It is the fault of all governments over the last 30 years. Some credit has to be given to this government for accepting that their is an elephant in the room. But they have done nothing like enough, I presume because they think it will be political suicide.

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Which is all the more reason why we shouldn't be giving money away to Europe and any where else for that matter. It is why we shouldn't be spending money on benefits to families of Eastern European workers who are "entitled" to such benefits because of our EU membership. Why we should not be giving benefits to the most workshy scrounging nationals in the world; the Somalis. They are beggars and contribute absolutely nothing to this country. We shouldn''t be giving and wasting money on gypsies.

 

They pay little or no tax and expect the world in return because otherwise they quote the HR act chapetr and verse..... all this giving away nonsense should stop and stop now. We are skint as a country and we should concentrate putting our own house and people in order first before the rest of the beggars that come knocking

 

I mean....giving money to countries like India; with its own space programme, should never be allowed.

 

It has also been long suspected that a lot of these corrupt European comissioners ringfence money for projects in their own countries at the expense of others and seeing as we get next to nothing out of it, that should stop too

 

Did you know that the EU is funding a massive road building programme in Spain???? We; a country with more potholes than road, are giving money via the EU to Spain, to help give them nice new roads!! You really couldn't make this nonsense up!

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but at least it would be a start.... at least we would be looking after our own for a change instead of everyone else.

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The Telegraph is a Tory paper so, in your eyes, not to be believed Lt Kije.

 

When you say it's the young who pay the pensions, you must believe that everyone below pensionable age is young, or is there a cut off age above which tax and NI is mysteriously not used for pensions? Even OAP's have to pay tax you know. :wink: :wink: :wink:

Correct me if I am wrong but won't us wrinklies be paying more tax when the £10k personal allowance is scrapped. :unsure:

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Any government has an obligation to care for the old, the young and the sick.

But we have had successive governments that have presided over a state retirement pension that is still substantially below the poverty line, and over 2.5M living in poverty (only Cyprus, Latvia and Estonia in Europe paying lower pensions) so if the young are paying out more than they can afford I would suggest that it is not on the pensioners or the poor of this country.

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But the system we have now is going to collapse, their simply will not be enough people in work to pay for the retired. What happens when we reach the point when 50% of gdp is being spent on pensions?

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Kyje, I don't recall many if any wrinklies running around with a visa card, buying this that and the other on credit - credit they clearly couldn't afford. The global financial crash started in the US sub-prime housing market, most wrinklies had bought and paid for their homes prior to that. :wink:

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But the system we have now is going to collapse, their simply will not be enough people in work to pay for the retired. What happens when we reach the point when 50% of gdp is being spent on pensions?

 

Only 5% of gdp is spent on pensions, again the lowest in Europe.

Overall, the major 15 economies in the EU plan to increase GDP spent on pensions from an average of 10.4% to 13.3%.The UK government, though, does not plan to increase GDP spending on pensions. If things remain as they are, this means that by 2040 each individual pensioner will receive on average a 40% smaller share of GDP than pensioners do today.

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:huh: Why do you want flowers for your grave? When you are in your grave you are dead so you can't see or smell them. Flowers on a grave = money wasted! :unsure::blink:

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