Jump to content

Striking Teachers.....


Bazj

Recommended Posts

So why not strike during the Easter holidays then Sadako????

 

If the work you've brought home is so vitally important then not doing it would inconvenience your employer without inconveniencing your customers to any great extent. Of course that might mean that you wouldn't get paid for "working from home" and drinking brews - but that's what happens when you go on strike.

 

The same could be said for refusal to participate in your next OFSTED, refusal to gather statistics for government and pseudo-government organisations, refusal to select or de-select kids for exam entries with the sole intention of maximising pass rates, refusal to take on non-core responsibilities (first aid training, risk assessments, health and safety training etc.).

 

All of these and many others would cause your employer problems without forcing parents who have no influence on your terms and conditions to use up large amounts of their own very limited and precious holiday entitlements.

 

I sense that the teachers simply don't have the stomach for either a long, drawn out campaign of action targetted at the employer, or for an all-out strike with an attempt to carry public opinion with them. Maybe, deep down, teachers and their unions know that they're well off already and that with their guaranteed pension income levels - regardless of how the economy and their pension fund investments fare - they're not really "in it with the rest of us" at all.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Baz, I take offence to the suggestion that teachers are ‘lazy’. I would love you to spend a day with me so that you can join the ‘Sadako Experience’ and witness how many hours I work and how much unpaid overtime I do. On top of that you would also have the pleasure of witnessing how much abuse I receive on a daily basis. Your ignorance and generalisation of people in that professional absolutely infuriates me. There are lazy teachers who cut corners, who don’t do their jobs properly but they are of the minority and it is them that give teachers a bad name. It’s the Easter holidays for me now. I have brought home 120 coursework files to mark, a weeks worth of lesson planning for one subject and a 5 week unit to plan. I have arranged two full days of taught study sessions and I am by my email all day in case I am needed by students. So far I have worked every day through it and I have no choice. That doesn’t bother me because I enjoy my job. The benefits of it is that I can work from home and have unlimited amounts of brews to see me through. What bothers me is people like you who think you know everything about teachers because you’re friends with a few that are the ‘lazy’ teachers. Please feel free to explain to me what you do for a living Baz so that I can make assumptions about you as a person because I am definitely NOT lazy and never have been.

 

Out of curiosity can someone please confirm with me what salary a person would need to be paid for it to be considered as a good wage. This is a genuine question as I am unsure of the national averages.

 

well well well.... Sadako, you tell me that you take offence at me calling teachers lazy and then you then go on to say "There are lazy teachers who cut corners, who don’t do their jobs properly but they are of the minority" you never ask if it was that minority I was referring to before you got offended!

 

You have worked "every day" of your holidays so far.... not to worry though, because unlike "normal" workers, you still another week to go at where you can relax and forget all about the "abuse" you get at work. and of course there is then the half term (another little break to help you) and of course the biggie to come in the summer....

 

Your generalisation is as bad as that which you accuse me of.... "think{ing} you know everything about teachers because you’re friends with a few that are the ‘lazy’ teachers"..... I know lots of teachers.... some good and some bad. My sons girlfriend is a teacher, my mates wife is a head teacher, my own sister is/was a teacher and I have personally worked in over 300 schools over the past 15 years and know what teachers have to put up with; but believe me it aint a patch on say working on a building site and having to be there at 5am in the morning. Working 12 and 18 hour days, 7 days a week....

 

We each chose our own career paths. I chose mine, you chose yours..... the difference is that over the past 26 years (which is the age of my oldest son, I have had absolutely no impact whatsoever on your daily life and your ability to go out to work and do your job. You however; by voting to strike, have inconvenienced me, have made me change my working plans, had to dissappoint and let down customers, and who knows, you may have even cost me business because I am not able to get to a meeting on a particular day because I have to work from home to look after my son while you lot are all sat at home drinking tea! There wasn't even a picket line.....

 

My youngest son is now 10. He is due to go from junior school up to the high school in September, so instead of bleating about how much work you have to take home etc. why don't you leave the work at home and strike during the holidays? That way, you are withdrawing your labour and are not causing disruption to other working people in the process

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Perhaps Baz and Asp would like to tell us if they are not aloud to strike, what they could do instead, if they are being bullied by their employers?

 

Oh give me strength..... striking achieves nothing and striking against the public achieves even less.

 

Teachers enjoy a very good package which is far far in excess of 99% of any other worker. Their pension rights (even after reforms) are still pretty damned good by comparisson to most.....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Never heard such crap in all my life. Go on strike when it has no effect on anyone, what a joke.

 

About time all these so called parents who moan about how many days off a teacher gets and then goes ballistic because there's no one to look after their little angels for one extra days strike. For God's sake, if you can't look after your kids then don't have them.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Never heard such crap in all my life. Go on strike when it has no effect on anyone, what a joke.

 

About time all these so called parents who moan about how many days off a teacher gets and then goes ballistic because there's no one to look after their little angels for one extra days strike. For God's sake, if you can't look after your kids then don't have them.

 

Wolfie.... you are turning this round to make it that parents don't want to look after their kids.... which is complete nonsense.... I want a teacher to teach my son for the allotted time each and every day they are supposed to. That way I can then get on with my life and carry out my work....

 

Why should a teacher strike and affect my work? I have no axe to grind and am very happy with my lot. If I wasn't self employed, what would happen if I couldn't get time off? If I took time off and got sacked, would that be an acceptable outcome as long as the teachers got their message across? I thought teachers were supposed to stand up against selfishness and bullying..... seems they are quite happy with it if you ask me

 

If as Sadako suggests; that All teachers work through their holidays, then withdraw that work if it is supposed to be holidays.... that way, it hurts the employer and does not affect the support of the public.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

You have not answered the question Baz, just because you don't agree with the strike does not make it wrong, if you would take their right to strike off them what would you replace it with.?

 

Nothing.... they already get enough as it is. Good salary, Good Pension and 4 months paid holidays....

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Baz, if you read my posts in the last debate about teachers, I did state that I work every holiday including the summer. I do work 12 hour shifts due to the extra hours that I have put in. My contracted hours aren’t even 9-3 what most people assume and I am always up and about by 5am.

 

I haven’t said at any point that the striking is either right or wrong; I have simply reacted to your comment about teachers being ‘lazy’. You can’t post that and not expect a reaction from those who are blatantly not. Can you not see that? It is a forum however and people are entitled to their opinions.

 

I understand why parents will get annoyed by strike action as it does inconvenience others (which I think is the point). I can also understand why teachers do strike. It makes me wonder what other posters would do if they found themselves in the same situation. It is easy to judge. I can’t speak for those teachers who work in schools because I do not teach in a school. I do apologise for any inconvenience caused on behalf of the school teachers, but in all honesty Baz, I am not to blame for this and I will not have impact on YOUR daily life and YOUR ability to do your job. Again stop making assumptions and generalisations.

I did not strike (don’t assume that ALL teachers strike, because they don’t. During the last strike I went into work and there is a good chance won’t in the next one). If I did it wouldn’t affect YOU because of the student’s age and it would not affect the students as the proposed strike action is in June. By then the exams will be over for some or the students will be on study leave anyway. The words ‘you’ and ‘your’ that you have chosen to use does in fact make it personal to me which is rather annoying because you are making assumptions again.

 

Out of curiosity again, what do parents do for child care during the summer holidays? I am wondering how striking during this time would make it more acceptable.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sadako.... I think we may both be guilty of making assumptions..... so in that case I will apologise if my assumptions do not include you personally...

 

As for the not striking bit.... does that mean you would benefit if the teachers did actually achieve something but without having the strike bit on your record??? Now that is crafty.... or would you do the honourable thing and refuse any benefits from a strike in which you took no part?

 

I have been on strike in my past.... when I was an electrician back in the 90's I went on strike for two weeks and 3 days..... I was sacked, reinstated and then moved from a very lucrative site after the strike (where I had the opportunity of overtime etc) to a site which was a standard 39 hour site. We had a genuine grievance, but looking back, the strike achieved nothing and cost me financially when I had a young family and a mortgage to pay.

 

With regards to your comment on how parents manage during the summer holidays, I can only speak for myself, but my wife takes an extra week (she gets 25 days a year) we have a 10 day or two week holiday, my mates wife sometimes has my son for a few days (as she works nights at the hospital and so is at home during the day) and we call on the one remaining grandparent and he also goes to holiday club..... which costs money..... but when both parents work; that is the price one has to pay.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Baz, I made the assumption that you thought all teachers were lazy and all went on strike.

 

I did strike on the first attempt, on the second I did not and with regards to the proposed strike action in June, I am not 100% sure that my union are. If they don’t, I can’t (if that makes sense?) I guess I would benefit from the strike action, but then I can't win can I? If I go on strike, it's wrong. If I don't, it's wrong. If I’m honest, I can't see the government ruling in favour of the teachers. Too many people dislike them and they are no longer respected which is a real shame.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Wolfie.... you are turning this round to make it that parents don't want to look after their kids.... which is complete nonsense....

Well considering that the main argument put forward is about the inconvenience of having the kids at home, why is it nonsense?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That isn't the main argument at all.... the main argument is that teachers are already well paid, well pensioned and bloody well holidayed.... far in excess of those they will hurt the most (the kids and their parents)

 

It is hardly going to hurt the government when a bunch of lefty teachers go on strike..... have zero public backing and only do it for a day.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Perhaps Baz and Asp would like to tell us if they are not aloud to strike, what they could do instead, if they are being bullied by their employers?

 

 

Why are you asking me? I haven't commented on the threatened strike action at all, just on Labour's denial of having been in government at all since 1979 :roll: :roll:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So the moral of the story is that Baz is in favour of long-term teacher strikes rather than one day strikes (which ironically have been decided to minimise disruption).

 

Maybe you could quit your job so that you can become a teacher since you envy the benefits so much.

 

How much is the average UK salary? I want to know!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't be fooled asperity, my actual wage is similar to those of the construction trade according to the list :wink: I am actually earning £10,000 less than it states on the chart :(...maybe in another 10 years, one can only dream.

 

Number 3. on the list - Air pilot. My partner looked into doing that...they fail to mention that it costs about £100k to train :shock: It's hard to be supportive of that career change.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I didn't say we didn't have "Labour" Government; I said "the nearest we got to a "socialist" Government was 1945" - pls read the posts. As for the subsequent Tory tirades - all I'm getting from this is a sense of myopic jealousy, where the attitude appears to be "I'm in the s**t, therefore why arn't you", with a consequent race to the bottom. Bit like the 3rd class passengers clubbing each other to get off the Titanic, while the 1st class have taken all the boats. No wonder the Bankers, Beaurocrats, Politicians etc treat us with such contempt; watching these crazed fights for the crumbs off their table. Unions have been the only means for workers to improve their conditions, something that's been self evidently true since Spartacus organised a slave revolt. Having improved their conditions, it's perfectly natural for them to fight to keep them; especially in an austerity enviroment that's clearly not being shared by the rich. :angry:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Merchant navy officer :

Salary and conditions

 

More in this section

Job description

Salary and conditions

Entry requirements

Training

Career development

Employers and vacancy …

Related jobs

Print all pages in this section

 

Case studies

Merchant Navy deck officer: Tim Corthorn

Merchant Navy officer: Stephen

Starting salaries upon qualification for junior officers are: £25,000 - £27,000.

Training salaries for cadets are: £7,000 - £15,000 with all tuition and on-board food and accommodation included. Shore-based accommodation costs are deducted.

Progression up to the rank of captain or chief engineer can lead to salaries ranging from £36,000 to £60,000, depending upon the type and size of ship. Salaries on foreign-going ships (i.e. at least 183 days per year out of the UK) may be tax free.

Qualification as a Merchant Navy officer can lead to opportunities throughout the marine industry.

Work is based at sea, on board ships that operate year-round. Shifts are usually four hours 'on watch' and eight hours 'off'. Although extensive travel is part of the job, opportunities to go onshore can be limited due to ship-board responsibilities and rapid turnaround times in port.

Living conditions whilst on board are usually of a high standard, with good leisure and other facilities. Due to such close living and working conditions, being able to work well within a team is important.

Weather conditions may make working uncomfortable, for instance the heat of the Persian Gulf in summer or the North Atlantic in a winter gale.

An increasing number of female officers are working in the Merchant Navy at all levels.

The long periods of time spent away at sea can have a major impact on family life, hobbies and interests. However, most companies provide a generous holiday allowance on a one-for-one basis, for example two-months' paid leave after a two-month voyage. Tour lengths vary from company to company.

Merchant Navy officers are subject to the Merchant Shipping Act. The Act sets strict limits on blood-alcohol levels, and drugs are forbidden. Random testing for alcohol or drug abuse is common.

 

 

Website

 

http://www.prospects.ac.uk/merchant_navy_officer_salary.htm

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Teachers start at £21,000 and upto £31,000 at scale point 6 (outside London)

with an average pension of £9,800

compared to

Train drivers £42,527

Public service administrative professionals £49,333

Production, works and maintenance managers £39,994

Recycling and refuse disposal managers £35,457

Senior officials in local government £36,812

Quality And Customer Care Managers £34,787

 

Considering all the crap that is thrown at them by government, ofsted inspectors, know everything parents, and all the 'little angels' that they try and teach, then it's worth every penny.

 

Sorry asp, by the time it took me to post this you had already posted a link, although the £33k for Teaching professionals incorrect.

 

Teachers pay scales Sep 2011.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

One has to look at these salary comparison discussions with some amusement; who's to say who should get more or less? In the Soviet Union, Miners were paid more than Doctors, for the simple reason the State required coal production as a priority. We may be better employed comparing the wages and conditions of all workers against those in Canary Wharf, Company Boardrooms or the Brussels gravy train. :wink:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Obs, if there was any desire in this country to have a socialist government then people would be flocking to join the Socialist Labour Party which did so well at the last election (23 candidates, 7,196 votes). Anyway I was more referring to members of the Labour Party who seem to be suffering from mass amnesia about the years 1997 to 2010 :wink: :wink:

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...