Lt Kije Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Boris Do your brain a favour, by a proper newspaper, The DM is pap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 European Ruling torpedoes Coalition stance on same sex marriages. Seems the Euro judges have got something right for once !! ( full article in the DM) European Judges have ruled that same sex marriages are NOT a human right. The ruling also says that if gay couples are allowed to marry, any church that offers weddings, will be guilty of discrimination if it declines to marry same-sex couples It means that if MP’s legislate for same-sex marriages , the Coalition’s promise that churches will not be compelled to conduct the weddings will be worthless. Lets hope that now the Coalition stops arseing about and start doing that which we pay them for !! Which brings us back to my very first post. Church of England lawyers suggests assurances from David Cameron and his ministers that no church will be compelled to provide such ceremonies are worthless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Boris Do your brain a favour, by a proper newspaper, The DM is pap Are you saying that it isn't true LK? By the way, the DM has 2 great crosswords and several Sudoku puzzles on a Daily basis. What paper can better that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Are you saying that it isn't true LK? I'm sure LK can respond himself, but I'd say, apart from its usual gay-bashing agenda, this bit is probably innacurate: any church that offers weddings, will be guilty of discrimination if it declines to marry same-sex couples Any church that offers weddings usually has a criteria to be met which can provide a number of reasons not to marry any particular couple. The DM is a nasty, vile rag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 No I am not Peter, I was just doing my duty as a responsible citizen, as usual with the DM, it will be 3 parts propaganda to 1 tenuous fact, it's not a paper known for its support of the gay lobby or anything to the left of Atilla the Hun, Facts have never stood in the way of the DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Boris Do your brain a favour, by a proper newspaper, The DM is pap When you say DM does that mean Daily Mirror Daily Mail Dartford Messenger Dover Mercury :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 When people normally say DM in the context od a newspaper it is the Daily Mail Wolfie. You would have known that if you were a DM regular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 When people normally say DM in the context od a newspaper it is the Daily Mail Wolfie. You would have know that if you were a DM regular Being a Sun reader it was lost on me, however if you are saying that the quote is incorrect then most gays will disagree as they have started a petition on their human rights. Human rights for gays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Wolfe Is marriage a human right?, if it is then they should have equality. They should not have more rights than the rest of society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 22, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Wolfe Is marriage a human right?, if it is then they should have equality. They should not have more rights than the rest of society. You miss the point Lt. It's not IF marriage is a human right or IF they should have equality. It's the fact that David Cameron and his ministers stated that no church will be compelled to provide such ceremonies, knowing damn well that churches will have no choice in the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 People who go to church have humans rights as well Wolfie, I would have thought a gay couple trying to get married in a catholic church, knowing that the catholic church stand against gay marriages would be very provocative, and if it went to court the gay couple would not have a leg to stand on. I think churches lag behind society, it was not that long ago that churches would not marry people who had been divorced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Is it the function of a religion to keep up with current moral trends or provide a fixed point (however outdated) for folk to calibrate their moral compass? If folk want an institution that suits their fickle beliefs, perhaps they should start their own - until of course, it's creed becomes no longer expedient for their current lifestyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 I think the church should keep up. The catholic view on population being a very good reason why!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 So is it just about having equal rights to get married in CHURCHES then I thought it was all about equal rights for getting 'married' in churches or anywhere else as long as they got a marriage certificate rather than civil partnership certidicate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sadako Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Obs, Religion has never provided a fixed point. Like I said before it is constantly evolving to suit the modern day....so what's the fuss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Was it something I said Wolfie and like me are you a little confused too and were you stuck for an actual answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boris1066 Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 My sympathies Wolfie ! Take a couple of paracetamol !! Praps the numbnuts who missed your point should go directly to the ECHR web site and see the ruling for themselves if they cannot give credit to the journalistic competance of the Dover Mail ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Errrm, not sure "religion is constantly evolving" Sad; if it had, it would have dumped the idea of creationism by now, and adapted to various scientific and social realities. The problem is, most folk require belief systems that conveniently suit their lifestyles at any given time. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 Point taken Borris so this numbnut is signing off now and will re-read it all again tomorrow and also visit the ECHR website I suppose I could just pretend I am a lesbian though and try to book a 'wedding' tomorrow and see what they say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 "NO" - in Latin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter T Posted March 22, 2012 Report Share Posted March 22, 2012 "NO" - in Latin! Were you proposing obs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 Another thread gone sour, there must be better things in life than reading garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 23, 2012 Report Share Posted March 23, 2012 I agree eagle, it is going no where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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