Lt Kije Posted March 11, 2012 Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 . and the reason it's never been reformed is? Is.? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2012 Obviously no answers to disturb your dogma - as usual! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Let sleeping dogmas lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 .. and the reason it's never been reformed is? because our French and German masters will not allow it to be reformed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Wrong Baz the Germans are in favour of reforming it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 Wrong Baz the Germans are in favour of reforming it The French peasants won't allow their lot to change anything. If they did there would be a revolution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 On that Peter I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 You mean the Frogs and the Krauts run the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 No, if any French president went to reform the CAP, they would be committing suicide , the Germans want reform but they need the French. It can not carry on as it is, but reform on the CAP will be slow, and remember British farmers do not want reform either. So the UK government have to be careful. As rural areas and farmers tend to be Tories. It easy to blame the French and the Germans but is it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 I remember watching a World in Action programme 30 years ago about the abuses linked to the CAP...obviously nothing has changed but the rewards are greater . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 .. and, as if to add insult to injury; the auditors still refuse to sign off on the EU budget - what a corrupt shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 12, 2012 Report Share Posted March 12, 2012 MYTH: The European Union has never had its accounts signed off « on: May 30, 2011, 11:52:01 » Seems like this very recurrent myth is rearing its ugly head again. Let's have a closer look into it: ========== "1. Myth: The European Union’s accounts are not audited, or, the Auditors refuse to sign off on the accounts. 1. Fact: The Auditors actually audit the European Union’s accounts every year, and the funds spent by the EU itself are signed off. However the Auditors annually criticise the member state governments for not providing information on how THEY spent the money given to them by the European Union." ========== If the European Union gives a certain sum of money to, say, Holland, and this country fails to explain how it's spent this sum, why should the EU be blamed? If anything, it's Holland's fault. As stated above, "the funds spent by the EU itself are signed off". ========== "The Court of Auditors has given last year, as it did in previous years, a clean bill of health on the EU accounts. The Court confirms these accounts faithfully reflect how the EU budget was spent. The Court also gives a separate opinion on whether all payments have been correctly processed, i.e. paid on time, the invoice properly signed, amounts paid correctly, whether the best and cheapest suppliers have been chosen, etc. The Court says it can only give positive assurance on some spending, not on the whole budget, as it has found errors in some of the payments under scrutiny. Most of the errors found by the Court concerned EU funds under national management. The EU test is much more rigorous than that of the private sector, where only book-keeping records are audited. Sir John Bourn, the UK's Comptroller & Auditor, has recently confirmed that if the UK had a similar test to the European one, he might have to qualify the whole of British Central Government expenditure. In the UK some 500 accounts representing the expenditure of the British government are audited and signed off separately, with some not passing the test each year, whereas the whole of EU expenditure is subject to a single verdict." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 The EU is the sum total of it's members - and ultimately responsible for accounting for any funds it doles out to them, to ensure it's being spent on it's intended target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 So is the UK for what they spend, and as you have read, the EU do a better job of accounting than the UK, You do not seem to bother about the Uk though, funny that So can we agree that your post on the EU accounts is propaganda, how many more of your views are based on fabrication, It might be worth a re- evaluation of some of your views. Mind you, you have never let facts stand in your way before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 If the EU just hands out cash willy-nilly to member states - many of which are little more than third world economies - without cast iron guarantees about exactly how it's going to be spent. Who's fault is it when it all ends up in the gravy train riders back pockets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 So inky your not questioning whether they are signed off or not, As the Europeans make a better job than the UK on their accounts why aren't you complaining about that, should we not be putting are own house in order first. When we do our books better than they do we would have a better argument don't you think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 They are not "signed off" - you blame the individual States - we blame the EU for not tracking their spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 The founds spent by the EU are signed off, again why are you not criticing the UK for not doing as well as the EU in bookkeeping. As I said should we not get our own house in order first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Think you best challenge the BBC News: as they've reported that the auditors havn't "signed off" on the EU budget for a few successive years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 You could have alook for yourself Obs, you might be surprised . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 If I was "The EU" and I handed out 100 billion Euros to say Holland..... and they duly spent said 100 billion Euros and then wouldn't tell me where.... do you think I would give them another 100 billion Euros the next year if I was a competant type of chap?.... would I buggery and there in lies the issue Kije. If the EU carries on handing out money like candyfloss to every waif and stray country without proper checks on where it gets spent; then ultimately the EU accounts are flawed too because they cannot account for how OUR money is spent otherwise, you could write the EU accounts on the back of a fag packet. Gave 100 billion to Holland Gave 100 billion to Greece (plus a bit more) Gave 100 billion to Portugal Gave 100 billion to Poland Stole 48 billion off UK..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 No the point is Baz, the EU keep better books than the UK, but you still moan about the EU, should you not be moaning about how the UK keep their books before you start on the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 How do you know that they have better books when their accounts are never signed off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 13, 2012 Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 No the point is Baz, the EU keep better books than the UK, but you still moan about the EU, should you not be moaning about how the UK keep their books before you start on the EU? What on earth are you wittering on about now? What has "book-keeping" got to do with how the EU wastes billions of euros on subsidies to landowners who cheat the system but the EU don't/won't stop it? And where is your evidence that the EU has better books kept than the UK anyway? Would it be from a Brussels propoganda dictat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2012 Nick Clegg told him! :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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