Lt Kije Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 It would help people Obs if you gave a more rounded view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 One deploys the arguements to support one's point of view - it's called debate. In the case of the ECHR, if the negatives are bringing the original concept and principle into disrepute; it needs to be ammended or abandoned - asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 So what was your view on Spycatcher saga, and do you agree that the ECHR got it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 I never mentioned "Spy Catcher", that was your tangent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Are you going to answer the question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 Kije, If the only positive you can bring to the table about the ECHR is for some old blokes book being allowed to be published and read in the UK (when it was already available to anyone going abroard anyway) and yet you refuse to acknowledge the fact that the majority of the cases they hear appear to help terrorists and other n'er do wells.... that really sums you toga wearers up in my eyes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 16, 2012 Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 No I have more just ask Obs he watched the program to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2012 As I've suggested: either the ECHR is modified/ammended to deal with the kind of cases it was set up to deal with originally (they've got a back log from Russia); and prevent judges decisions turning it into a farce, and HR lawyers from making a fortune out of legal aid OR just renage on the Treaty and have our own Bill of Rights - end of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Perhaps we should do what some other countries do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 .... and just ignore it's decisions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Not going off at a tangent, Obs as usual is only putting forward negatives. The spycatcher saga is an example of a possative, the act enabled the UK to no what the rest of the world already new. I had no idea Baz that this thread was just for slagging off. So you weren't actually using this thread as another opportunity for "slagging off" Maggie then :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 No I was not Asp, Spycatcher was an example of how the possative in the ECHR, It was a happy coIncidence that Maggie was about then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 No I was not Asp, Spycatcher was an example of how the possative in the ECHR, It was a happy coIncidence that Maggie was about then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 17, 2012 Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 Perhaps we should do what some other countries do publically flog treasonous dogs? Execute those who say stupid things? maybe there is light on the horizon!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 A case that has just gone though the Court, http://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/echr-vindicates-uk-second-time-a-week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 21, 2012 Report Share Posted March 21, 2012 No I was not Asp, Spycatcher was an example of how the possative in the ECHR, It was a happy coIncidence that Maggie was about then Translation please. :blink: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Interesting that we complied with the ruling of the ECHR not to deport Qatada; yet the French have just deported one of their muslim extremists PDQ. Obviously, we seem to be the only ones who take the EU and ECHR dictats seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Before blaming the ECHR Obs, tou need to know if his case came before them? Did the man who was deported from France have his case heard in front f the ECHR??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Did the man who was deported from France have his case heard in front f the ECHR??? probably not because they are clever enough just to get shut and ask questions later..... once the baddie is out of your country and in someone elses, it is no longer your problem.... simples! If we had just stuck him on a plane and dropped him off somewhere, Quatada would no longer be an issue for us or the ECHR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Right on Baz: we allow time for the HR Lawyers to get with these people and legal aid to pursue a case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 So if they did not go to the ECHR, why are you blaming them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 So if they did not go to the ECHR, why are you blaming them I said "probably not".... I don't know and don't particularly give a toss. The ECHR just like the human rites act is an organisation and an act which only ever seems to be used by terrorists and criminals. It does nothing for the normal citizen in normal circumstances. Only today, we learn of yet another muslim who is accused by the US of funding terrorism in the UK and they want him extradited because they believe he funded acts which killed US citizens. He has been fighting since 2004 (on legal aid etc) and now is turning to the ECHR according to his solicitor.... Just stick him on a plane and let the yanks deal with him. He is facing life without parole. He wants to be tried over here; where if convicted he will probably be fined £20 and told not to do it again Laughable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Don't no anything about the latest case you mention Baz, but is it the act that is at fault, or the way UK legal people interpret the act, as happened in France other Countries don't seem to have the same problem. We need to know why!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 because they are not afraid of the consequences..... like the one the French booted out. What can they do to France now he's gone? Demand they let him back in? I doubt it. The whole system is a bag of spanners and needs to be abolished and we need to get out of the EU immediately.... all those billions should be going towards paying off our debts, not shoring up Greece and Spain and certainly not into a pot that the bloody Argies can get their hands on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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