observer Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 There'll be plenty "mausoleums" in her honour - they used to be working coal mines and mining communities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 There'll be plenty "mausoleums" in her honour - they used to be working coal mines and mining communities. Was I being too subtle in the purpose for such a combined facility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted December 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 So DIZZY's intuition was correct and we got lead down the CLEO path and OBS mine shaft for a while until NICK T rescused us and confessed that Mrs T is his partner and soul mate. It just shows the twist and turns of a WWW thread. We now know that OBS and Nick T are not married from the evidence presented before us and thst I'm not going to be joining CSI Warrington just yet - I need some more police training or a session with the BBC Who do you think you are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Tessla Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Have you been at the sherry already, Geoffrey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 From what I'm hearing Geoff, it's quite difficult to imput anything into your head - and I thought you were putting it on as a wind up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted December 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Maybe I need a sabatical away from here for a while - my mind works in mysterious ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Nothing mysterious - odd perhaps! :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 There'll be plenty "mausoleums" in her honour - they used to be working coal mines and mining communities. Nothing to do with Scargill and the greed of the unions then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Errm, thought he and the Unions were trying to keep the pits open; he said they were after closing 90% of them, and he was proved right. Maggie and the Tories never forgave the NUM for the embarrasment of the Heath Gov; and their sole objective was to smash the NUM, even when it meant buying coal from Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 It is entirely possible for two differnt people to hold the same opinion - as opposed to the front bench of the Labour party where the one person can hold two different views depending on which way the wind is blowing. Merry Xmas Geoff Not just your opinions, your style is eerily similar as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 If keeping the pits open was the objective, they certainly went the wrong way about it :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Keeping the pits open would have kept us more energy self suffient. Peter Obs is right Mr Scargill was right about how many coal mines would end up going, The Tory government were lying. Your memory is selective when it comes to the miners strike. History has proved the miners right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Maybe I need a sabatical away from here for a while - my mind works in mysterious ways. You don't need time away from here at all Geoff ... you just need time away from your endless accademic studies, dissertations, analyses and also to clear your councillor programmed mind. They will be programming you while you sleep you know Clear it all out ... you just need logic and common sense... easy peasy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Asp, since when has a workforce had the power to keep their industry operating, when they don't own it, and the intent of the owner, was to break it up for political reasons in any event. Ironically (and with hindsight), the pits could have saved us from dependency on foreign oil and gas, now that the North Sea resources have been frittered away on the benefit dependency that resulted from Maggie's massive de-industrialisation programme and dependency on the city of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Keeping the pits open would have kept us more energy self suffient. Peter Obs is right Mr Scargill was right about how many coal mines would end up going, The Tory government were lying. Your memory is selective when it comes to the miners strike. History has proved the miners right. Poland or Australia obs? Don't you think, that when running a business, that the managers should be allowed to manage? The Unions were bleeding it dry. Something had to be done. IMO the Unions forced the issue and Thatcher grabbed the opportunity. The other side of the coin is that there was never enough investment in Industry and the money wasn't there to re-invest and modernise. Happened with most British Industry giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 23, 2011 Report Share Posted December 23, 2011 Keeping the pits open would have kept us more energy self suffient. Peter Obs is right Mr Scargill was right about how many coal mines would end up going, The Tory government were lying. Your memory is selective when it comes to the miners strike. History has proved the miners right. Poland or Australia obs? Don't you think, that when running a business, that the managers should be allowed to manage? The Unions were bleeding it dry. Something had to be done. IMO the Unions forced the issue and Thatcher grabbed the opportunity. The other side of the coin is that there was never enough investment in Industry and the money wasn't there to re-invest and modernise. Happened with most British Industry giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Running a business Peter Coal had been nationazed industry, there had been no investment in it for years, it was no longer competitive due to the government. They themselves had created the justification for closing the mines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Come on Peter; whilst there was a case for modernising our industries in the face of Japanese competition; this should have meant re-investment in re-tooling and mechanisation AND R&D; which admitedly was being opposed by the more extreme ludites in Unions. However, what we got was the wholesale de-manning of our industries and services; for "political" reasons (IE to smash organised labour); first using the North Sea oil money to fund the resultant dole queues; then, when this became embarrassing; funding the transfer of the long term unemployed to dependency on incapacity benefits. Meanwhile, we had the transfer of our economic reliance to the Finance sector and the City of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 I love it when you two bite. BAH HUMBUG!! A Merry Christmas to you both, and remember "moderation" is the word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted December 24, 2011 Report Share Posted December 24, 2011 Happy Xmass Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 you just need logic and common sense... but that would render him useless as a Councillor though surely?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted December 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 depends where your brains are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 depends where your brains are no it doesn't.... you just need to nod at the right time and do what the party leaders want you to do and say.... that is completely evident with all and every dealing I have ever had with councillors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted December 25, 2011 Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 Stop picking on him Baz... it's xmas day... goodwill to all remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted December 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2011 I can take it DIZZY - he needs to let of a bit of steam from his Christmas Pudding after all the councillors he has had to deal with may be ....... maybe he'll stand next time and give thenm a run for their money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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