Lt Kije Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Well they have had another look and it's true, global warming is a fact and it's down to us burning carbon, so except for Asp who will now stick in head in the sand or go into denial, what do we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Ignore it as they will soon change their minds again...and again.. and again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Fact. Global warming is an act of nature and has existed since the begining of end of the last Ice Age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 True Cleo , but it also a fact that our pollution is making it worse, and it is the middle east that will feel it before Europe, as they will run out of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Don't worry about it. It's the money men who spread these rumours. It is irrelevant as we are due another white winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Have you been listening to the BBC news again Lt Kije? If you actually read the actual paper, all it does is confirm that yes, global temperatures have indeed(on average) been rising since the end of the last ice age. This truth is not disputed by skeptical scientists, as this has been demonstrated by instrumental records. What isn't demonstrated by this paper or any other is that global warming is due to CO2, or that human beings have had any influence on temperature. And the fact remains that global temperatures have been steady for over 10 years, sea temperatures are falling, sea levels are rising more slowly, and global ice is increasing. AGW protagonists are now getting desperate to find something, anything, that will enable them to hold on to the research funding they have been receiving for producing claptrap for the last 30 odd years. :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Even if it were true, that mankind is/has caused it; you don't actually believe Kije that the situation can now be reversed do you? With India and China set to pollute on a scale in excess of our 20C contribution, due to their natural desire for all the material products that we've enjoyed, I'd suggest the horse has bolted. Much better to adapt to the changes and prepare accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 True Cleo , but it also a fact that our pollution is making it worse, and it is the middle east that will feel it before Europe, as they will run out of water. Â I'm not so sure about that. Another source as been discovered feeding the Nile from Chad. Apparently thousands of acres of water underground in the desert which may well help to make the desert fertile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Not just BBC Asp all news stations Cleo, that was discovered years ago and is being used, and sadly not replaced  Obs is that your excuse for doing nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Then it would seem that ALL the news stations haven't bothered with the details of the paper, just gone for the headline (erroneously). This is par for the course with the MSM. No news is no news, so just big some suggestion up to make headlines. And of course the Lt Kijes of this world take it hook, line and sinker every time. Time will tell. Hope your central heating boiler has been serviced this year :wink: :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Not just BBC Asp all news stations Cleo, that was discovered years ago and is being used, and sadly not replaced  Obs is that your excuse for doing nothing  It has only just been discovered in the past two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 It has been said many times that global warming, could actually mean some places getting colder Asp, as you know. And the paper does confirm mankind is making what is a natural Phenomina worse  We must be talking about different water aquifers Cleo, But it is a fact once you start pumping the fresh water out it will run out, or it will become more saline as you pump it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 The AGW cheerleaders only came up with the "global warming means cooling" garbage when the warming trend stopped (funnily enough, at the same time they started referring to it as "climate change" instead). And the paper does not in any way "confirm" anything. That is just the spin that is being put on it by the vested interests. Â And please, please, please invest in a dictionary or desist from using words that you don't know how to spell (I am asking nicely) :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 No dictionary on my phone Asp, and predictive text is a bind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Strange, just put phenomena into my phone (predictive text) and it came out right first time :shock: :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Try doing your posts from your phone for a while Asp, the number of your typo's will go up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Thanks for the tip :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 [quote name='Lt Kije' timestamp='1319235407' post='99750'  We must be talking about different water aquifers Cleo, But it is a fact once you start pumping the fresh water out it will run out, or it will become more saline as you pump it  Explain that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Not quite sure what you are asking me to explain Cleo, Â As you pump water out of a well or aquifer, the water left becomes more saline (salty) the nearer to sea legal your well or aquifer the quicker it will happen. Is that what you needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Is that an assumption that the water is coming from the sea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleopatra Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 It's apparently coming from chad which is inland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey Settle Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 This month's New Scientist is worth a read, bought mine to read on the train to Uni yesterday:  Under the heading what we do know - and what we don't they write:  Know: Greenhouse gases are warming the planet 'there is overwhelming evidence that CO2 is the prime cause of recent warming'  Don't know: How far greenhouse gas levels will rise  Know: Other pollutants are cooling the planet  After large volcanic eruptions the planet cools for a year or two - but unlike CO2 the influence of SO2 is short-lived  Don't Know: How great our cooling effects are - complex effects of aerosol droplets.  Know: The planet is going to get a lot hotter  Don't Know: Excatly how much hotter things will get - maybe upto 6 degrees  Don't Know: How the climate will change in specific regions  Know: Sea level is going to rise many meters  Don't know: how quickly sea level will rise  Don't know: How serious a threat global warming is to life  Don't know Whether there will be more hurricanes and the like  Know: There will be more floods and droughts  Don't know: If and when tipping points will be reached  So there you go food for thought or NOT if you are in a drought - given that we are in between Ice Ages the world will eventually cool down but will get to a peak temperature inbetween again then there is the impact of man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Sounds like a good article, Â Cleo, it does not matter how far from the sea you are, what matters is how high or low you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallard12 Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 Put a bet on everything Asp says and you will win big. Y'all must have lived through the 'pea soupers' we used to have and seen the pictures of billowing smoke stacks in Albania. Seen the smoke rising from a millon home fires, plus the stacks of coal burning trains and power stations and every other factory. All with no anti-pollution filter systems or scrubbers. Ah, the glorious fifties, the only thing that we didn't have was global warming. In fact, there was a period when the same kooks were predicting a new ice age. Asperity is right, they only changed their terminology when the couldn't explain the record cold spells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 22, 2011 Report Share Posted October 22, 2011 New Scientist eh..... must be true then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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