Bazj Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 When was the last time you read a story in the press that put anything to do with Europe in a positive light.? ..... so shouldn't that tell you something?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Yes, their are alot of gullible people about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Perhaps we need "the press" to counter a Europhile political establishment? :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Yes, their are alot of gullible people about It takes one to know one :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Perhaps we need the press to be even handed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 You mean we don't have a balanced press? Thought you read the Guardian?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Do you think we have a balanced press Obs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 They came for the free market inky aswell you know We were members of the EEC, the Common Market, when Nissan came here. Completely different animal to the EUSSR - and one we had a referendum on joining to boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The EEC was still a free market for those countries who were in it, they came for the free market! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 ..... so shouldn't that tell you something?? Perhaps they can't find anything positive to write about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 The MSM are part of the problem. Their shameful reporting and misrepresentation of the issues is part of the reason that the country has been led by the nose into the worst situation it has ever faced. The EUSSR just in case anybody was unsure what I'm referring to :wink: :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 An interesting prog to watch, is the European Report on the BBC News channel - most of those MEPs just arn't living on the same planet as the rest of us (except Kije of course!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 So maybe what we need is for somebody who is unbiased to set out a list of advantages of being in the EU and a list of disadvantages of being in the EU. That way we could then see for ourselves and make an informed opinion on whether being a member is a good thing or not. volunteers anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Perhaps "Which Magazine" could do it?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Lt Kije has been asked many times on this forum, but always seems to prevaricate for some reason :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Well, all three main Party Leaders have told their MPs to vote against the proposal for a referendum - if that doesn't tell the electorate something, nothing will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 The EEC was still a free market for those countries who were in it, they came for the free market! So you admit that it was nothing to do with EU now, do you? We had a vote on membership of the Common Market, and it passed. If we had another vote today on membership of the Common Market I dare said it'd pass again. But what the hell has that got to do with membership of (for which we can read, vassal status to) the EU superstate?????? Membership that has been foisted upon us without our being given any kind of say. If you're trying to claim that the EU and the EEC are even vaguely similar organisations - in scope, powers, budget, size, or in any other way - then you've just demonstrated quite ably how little you really know about the subject!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 So you admit they came here for the free market inky, let's try to keep on thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 What does this "free market" mean; you mean the EU operates trade barriers on the rest of the world? Hardly "free trade" then Kije! And if they do operate "free trade" with the rest of the world, not much point being in it in the first place then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 There are countries which operate a free trade agreement with the EU but are not part of it.... we export probably more to countries outside the EU than we internally within it. There is an effect called the Rotterdam effect (apparently) which the likes of Kije and other EU monkeys rarely talk about when it comes to exports to the EU over the rest of the world...... The favourite [pro-EU myth] is where europhiles insist that 70% of our trade is with the EU, so it’d be suicide to leave. This is a myth for two reasons – firstly, you can have free trade with the EU without being a member (EEA). But more fundamentally, it’s a deliberate manipulation of statistics – a lot of our world wide trade goes via Holland, as you get very good shipping links there. But because that involves goods being moved from the UK, to Holland (even though they only stay there for a few days), some pro-EU commentators use that to bulk up EU trade figures, and make it look like there’s more genuine intra-EU trade than there really is.” sneaky eh??? You don't have to be in the EU to trade with it on a equal basis..... those that buy British now won't suddely go and find suppliers from elsewhere because that is why they buy from us now; because we are their supplier. So bloke in Germany buying parts for something he is making isn't going to buy from another country just because some knob in Brussels tells him to. The big problem of coures is under EU rules; Britain is committed to run its economy for the benefit of the EU as a whole and as such cannot make decisions which benefit us, but disadvantage another EU country...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 No we don't Baz most of our trade is within Nissan and other foreign companies located here to be within the free market Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 No we don't Baz most of our trade is within Nissan and other foreign companies located here to be within the free market I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that statement in relation to my post about the Rotterdam effect..... is that the EU lovers way of dealing with it; to ignore it and deny it?? Nissan located here because they could lay off workers at the drop of a hat with very little comeback if they had to.....Government handouts helped too.... Ford moved over to Eastern Europe because the labour is/was cheap... there are many factors and the UK being in the "free market" as you put it certainly wasn't top of the list I'll bet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 Most of our trade is with the EU, Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'm afraid that Lt Kije and reality are drifting inexorably apart (and most of the MPs appear to be on the same raft :shock: ) :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 24, 2011 Report Share Posted October 24, 2011 I am afraid it is you that are on the other planet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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