disgusted Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/exclusive-new-80mph-motorway-limit-20mph-in-towns-2362980.html Good news that finally we're seeing more appropriatte speed limiuts. No doubt Rod will find a reason for this causing lycra warriors harm even though they can;t go on motorways though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 But he would also say that they SHOULD be allowed on motorways..... because they already have that built in cycle lane at the side in the different coloured tarmac!! Not that cyclists would use that lane of course; oh no, they would be three abreast across the whole carriageway! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Apologies, just found the existing thread. Still I like the slogan of my majority interest group, a nice juxtaposition to Rod's minority interest group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 80 mph is all very well as long as it is properly monitored to crack down on the idiots who still think it is ok to drive at that speed while on the phone. Many still drive without any concern for other road users, just so long as they are not hindered in their efforts to be somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I have no strong feelings on this issue, the brainless idiots will still continue to exceed whatever limit there is anyway. This site may be of interest to those under the impression that there is a % allowance fro vehicle speedometer or camera inaccuracy. http://www.radardetectors.co.uk/police_speedtraps.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I'm with Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 But he would also say that they SHOULD be allowed on motorways..... because they already have that built in cycle lane at the side in the different coloured tarmac!! Not that cyclists would use that lane of course; oh no, they would be three abreast across the whole carriageway! but he wouldn't really Baz, would he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I think there also needs to be a slight change to the "rules of the road". At present HGV's are prohibited from the outside lane, I'd change the wording to restrict them to the inside 2 lanes. It wouldn't make any difference on a three lane motorway, but would prevent the current 3 wagons side by side crawling up the 4 lane sections of the Thelwall Viaduct at 56mph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Good idea inky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 It is reassuring that the Police have made a complete business out of targeting motorists this way. It is a real pity that they do not put as many resources into other areas.... Why aren't the plod allowed to keep a percentage of the money recovered from bank robberies or burglaries? they may do a bit to detect those crimes then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Brilliant idea Baz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 but he wouldn't really Baz, would he? Been on a sabbatical PJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Been on a sabbatical PJ? he's been working too hard I bet!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Might have been stuck on the M25! :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 Just bored with all the repetitive topics to be honest, any way Baz, I thought you had now embraced pedal power and cycle paths et al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 I do have a bike and unlike the majority of the lycra clad eco-nazis I do use the cycle paths which have been provided at such a great expense to us taxpayers of the town I don't use the bike very often as it is difficult to actually do anything constructive on it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Just bored with all the repetitive topics to be honest, any way Baz, I thought you had now embraced pedal power and cycle paths et al. Why not contribute and raise one or two interesting ones then PJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 oh oh.... just noticed rodk is lurking in the shadows!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodk Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 http://tinyurl.com/8020debate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 So now the idea of raising motorway speed limits (which has been campaigned for regularly by both the AA and RAC for at least the past couple of decades), is now down to the 20's plenty mob? (who have only been ranting for a couple of years) Anyone who reads your drivel, Rod, will know that you have no shame when it comes to twisting statistics, claiming they prove things which they simply do not, and then going on to make further leaps of logic which would baffle Stephen Hawking - but graduating to re-writing history now????? How very 1984. Maybe there's even a career for you writing American World War II screenplays!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Blimey Rod.... I wouldn't put a document on the internet with my email address and mobile number on it!! I am intrigued as to why you say the 80mph debate is political when the 70 limit was only originally introduced because of a fuel crisis and that the majority of countries in Europe already have 80 on motorways (except the wonderful autobahns in Germany of course; with their "all you can eat" speed limits) and 20 in residential areas..... Just as you claim the 20 limit is the right one for the residential areas, so someone has finally woken up to the fact that 80 is a better motorway limit..... Could not your intentions be seen as political Rod??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodk Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Baz In my experience, I haven't found an argument yet that became stronger through anonymity. As my email and mobile have been on the 20's Plenty for Us website for the last 4 years then they were hardly official secrets. The idea that there was some political deal around this issue was clearly stated in the Independent article link which was originally posted ie :- A source close to the negotiations said: "The Tories wanted to announce the 80mph limit next week because it appeals to their base and they can sell it as promoting business. Meanwhile the Liberal Democrats claim there is strong evidence that, in road safety terms, expanding 20mph zones saves lives. A deal has now been done and will all go into one consultation paper." I am intrigued by your claim that the "majority" of EU countries have an 80mph motorway limits. The actual figures are :- Cyprus 62.5 Denmark 68.75 Sweden 68.75 United Kingdom 70 Belgium 75 Finland 75 Greece 75 Ireland (**) 75 Portugal 75 Spain 75 The Netherlands 75 Austria 81.25 Czech Republic 81.25 France 81.25 Germany unlimited but advisary at 81.25 Hungary 81.25 Italy 81.25 Luxembourg 81.25 Poland 81.25 Slovakia 81.25 Slovenia 81.25 I make that about 50/50 and even in Germany there is an advisary speed limit of 130kph (81.25mph) As I said in the press release, I see that the case for 20/30 or 80/70 are completely different. I only stated some fairly basic laws of physics which would appear to apply to both conditions. Maybe you should be pleased that as there has been so much support for 20mph limits then this maybe will enable the 70mph limit to rise. For my part I have no wish to consume 50% more fuel and pay all that extra tax that goes with travelling at 80mph instead of 60mph. I guess the oil companies and the government will love it. My intentions are far from political. 20mph speed limits are supported by Tory, Labour, Liberal-Democrat, Green and coalition led local authorities. It is an apolitical movement. Hence I really have nothing to add to the 80/70 argument. You can now return to debating whther cyclists should be able to use the hard shoulder. Best regards Rod Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 We're not doing too badly on road fatalities compared to other countries: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate 80 doesn't seem excessive, but I don't see why we can't have flexible speed limits according to conditions and traffic volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted October 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Maybe you should be pleased that as there has been so much support for 20mph limits then this maybe will enable the 70mph limit to rise. Can I have some of what you're drinking Rod please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Perhaps, they've worked out - that drivers will be so exasperated driving around Towns at 20mph, that they'll need a burst of speed on the M/Way to get over it?! :grin: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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