fugtifino Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 limey1, earlier today: http://dwalsh.weebly.com/uploads/1/7/6/2/1762242/5383730.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 You forgot to answer the question limey1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Forty brave well trained men, the best in the world, It would do you well to remember that there were a 100,000 plus young Americans on British soil on the 6th June 1944 Pity they hadn't have been there in 1939 America was an honerable country them and is an honerable country now The best for last Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Guilty as charged your honer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Forty men!, it took forty men to take out half a dozen ragheads, one aged terrorist leader and his two wives, two of our SAS lad's would have caught a bus there captured him and brought him back in taxi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Limey I appreciate the sacrifice that the Americans made in WW2 and even though they didn't join in until a few years after the UK, the casualties for American servicemen were apparently only about 30,000 less than ours, so if they had have been in from day 1 they would have been considerably higher. The US supplied the UK with the means to carry on the fight against Germany, without lend-lease we would have run out of ships and all manner of other equipment...... Bin Liner was an evil man who was responsible for the slaughter of thousands upon thousands of people; including children, The likes of Wolfie and Robbo would rather spout their lefty, commy claptrap; blaming the establishment and vilifying anything which is right and siding with terrorists and their ilk instead of backing the one country on this planet which has supported us through thick and thin, just as we have supported the US. Long may it continue and god help us if it didn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 WW2 KIA (military) - USA = 295,000. British and Commonwealth = 452,000. USSR = 13,600,000. China = 3,500,000. Just so we get a sense of proportion about the sacrifice. The USA entered the war on 7th Dec 1941 (it began in 1939), and declared war on the Japanese Empire (not Nazi Germany). Germany then declared war on the USA. Lend lease certainly assisted in the UK surviving, but it was ALL paid back - every last cent, which took us 60 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Limey The likes of Wolfie and Robbo would rather spout their lefty, commy claptrap; blaming the establishment and vilifying anything which is right and siding with terrorists and their ilk instead of backing the one country on this planet which has supported us through thick and thin, just as we have supported the US. Long may it continue and god help us if it didn't Baz, since when has 'As a so called civilized nation we need to uphold the values and principles that we are supposed to represent: one of which is that life is sacred and one should take no joy in the death of another human being.' been lefty, commy claptrap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Perhaps it's time to stop being light hearted about the killing of binladen, I for one am more than satisfied regarding his timely demize, his involvement in the planning of the bringing down of the Twin Towers resulting in such a terrible loss of life, demonstrating that he this evil creaturewas capable of being implicated in any henious crimes against Western civilization. The USA suffered a terrible loss of life within two hours of the initial impact and the relatives of all that died are still suffering mentally. Personaly I shall say no more on the subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wireboy Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Firstly I would like to pass my opinion on the death of Osama Bin Laden. It is hard to find sympathy for someone who kills innocent men, women, children in terrorist activities. He deserved to die the way he did and I am glad. I do think however, it would have been better justice for him to be captured and taken back to the USA to face the people but I appreciate the difficulties that would arise from that situation. Secondly I find a few comments by Limey1 a little offensive. While I appreciate the defence of your country and people in your views I find the comment "saving y'alls sorry asses" quite typical. Great Britain is and always will be a fighting nation and we would have beat the Nazi's without you. It may off just taken longer. If we were to lose to the Nazi's we would have lost in 1940 when invasion was imminent. Maybe that would have been a good time for the USA to come in and you quote "saving y'alls sorry asses." But you did not. We stood alone and fought them back. We set them up. You knocked them down. I can see why you are being defensive as is does seem there are a lot of anti USA comments being thrown around but I for one have worked closely with Americans (Mainly US forces) and they are indeed one of the best in the world and I get on with them very well. It is just a shame that some, not all Americans think we owe them something for apparently saving our asses during WW2. I hope I have not offended you but I always feel the need put right derogatory comments about our history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallard12 Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Well said Algy. I was born in Woolston prior to 1939 and lived out the war on Gig Lane, so i probably know more about those times tham most of you. I am also a student of WWll and can tell you that America helped Britain every day from the start of the war, it was only a handful of pacifists (that ring a bell Wolfie?) that kept FDR from openly sending forces to Europe, Pearl Harbor gave him his excuse to ignore them and join Britain. If you want to get on a soap box and spout bleeding heart rhetoric, start with lambasting the terrorists and try supporting the people trying to rid the world of this cancer - the Bin Ladens of the world are not going to stop just because you say 'pretty please'. I apologize for my reaction, but I have been a proud American citizen for forty years, I know what a fabulous country it is and how generous and christian the people are. It burns my butt to listen to sniping and whining from disallusioned ignorants. By the way how's that socialist / diversity thing working out for y'all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 It was on American initiative that every member nation of the United Nations was obliged to subscribe to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Innumerable treaties and instruments, descending and ramifying from this, are still binding legally and morally. Thus, for the moment, the word "unilateralism" is doing idiomatic duty for the word "imperialism," as signifying a hyper-power or ultra-power that wants to be exempted from the rules because it wrote most of them. BTW anyone know of a war that America hs won on its own apart from the invasion of Grenada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Still haven't answered the question limey1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Limey1, as a born and bred Englishman, methinks you should stop digging. Get rid of the politicians and the UK is just as good as anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Errm Limey, suggest you climb down from the pulpit on this one - IT WAS THE US (CIA) WHO CREATED BIN LADEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. He was trained and armed (by the CIA) to fight the Russians in Afghanistan, so I guess at that time, he was an OK guy?! Like most of the tin pot Dictators, from Pinochet to Saddam Hussein, that you've propt up over the years - they were all OK when it suited US foreign policy. So please don't get all ethical - there are no ethics in these matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 To answer your question 2 pages back Dizzy - I am not worried about repercussions, it will happen I am sure. Nothing I can do about it but be vigilant as a citizen and careful as a person. I know some here enjoy a good whing and argument, I have learned over the years not to let things get to me in the forum. I love my country and love yours as well. I wish there was a system of government that was really of the people, by the people and for the people. Our government is based on that but... then man is greedy - but I still think its the best government system right now. Is it perfect, NOPE. Which one is? As far as Observers comments on the pay back - yes Britain did pay every penny back - no other country has, but then in the scheme of things, who really cares? There is so much more to life than strife people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 Blimey, this thread is a bed of hot potatoes! Just to go back to the conspiracy theory though because it seems to be finally put to rest after the interrogation of Bin Laden?s wife by the Afghan government. If his wife agrees he was shot dead and he?s also not coming out to refute the claims as he has in the past, then it?s a pretty good indication that they?ve finally caught up with him. As for the man himself, I believe he was pure evil and showed no value for human life whatsoever. I?ve stood in better things before now and yet some here seem to want to side with him with his anti American rhetoric. And Mary, I don?t for one moment think that some of the views being expressed here are typical of the British public. There is a real enemy out there but some seem to have difficulty in working out just who it is. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted May 5, 2011 Report Share Posted May 5, 2011 - IT WAS THE US (CIA) WHO CREATED BIN LADEN IN THE FIRST PLACE And here is me thinking it as his mum & dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 some here seem to want to side with him with his anti American rhetoric. Bill Not sure anyone wants to side with him, although as Obs said the Americans did before they changed their mind. Of course they are allowed to change their minds, just as they are allowed to change their rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 6, 2011 Report Share Posted May 6, 2011 As Kisinger once said - "America doesn't have friends, it has interests". Which is fair enough, pity we can't look after our own "interests" instead of clinging to the fairy story of a "special relationship". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 As Kisinger once said - "America doesn't have friends, it has interests". Which is fair enough, pity we can't look after our own "interests" instead of clinging to the fairy story of a "special relationship". That would require thinking outside of the box. Is anyone in Gov. qualified to do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 10 years. Trillions of dollars. Thousands of soldiers dead. State of the art technology. The US finally found Bin Laden. In his house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted May 7, 2011 Report Share Posted May 7, 2011 When you put it like that ...... I guess they had to be 'sure' though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 8, 2011 Report Share Posted May 8, 2011 Whatever the truth of the matter, the reason why we went into Afghanistan is now allegedly gone. So we can bring our troops home and stop wasting billions of pounds now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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