observer Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Dave says that no "black" (carribean) students go to Oxford Uni - I doubt also, that many white working class students go there either - perhaps it's something to do with our education system Dave, not producing folk with the necessary qualifications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 He actually said that only one had gone, presumably because he was badly advised on the other 39 ethnic minorities (approx.) who did go. Of course it's the Education System, plus a general apathy from many parents who don't see the value of instilling a work ethic and the value of learning into their children! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 "Many parents" have never had it "instilled" in them, so the problem is re-cycled from one generation to the other, ad infin - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Odd we seem to have alot of Black Doctors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 As a result of immigration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 As a too regular viisit to hospitals, most doctors are brown - is that racist? Goa - reminds me of the woman next door. Nudge; nudge; know what I mean; know what I mean. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 I always thought that it was academic ability that got you into the elite places like Oxford and Cambridge, and nothing to do with colour. Perhaps the ethnic groups have realised just how bad the education has become in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Well, having imported so many "doctors" from tin pot Universities around the globe, there wern't enough places for our home grown doctors (remember it, under Labour?), so I guess they've been exported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I always thought that it was academic ability that got you into the elite places like Oxford and Cambridge, and nothing to do with colour. I wish:!: Lots of students make the grade but do not get in because they did not go to private school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 ... and you have the evidence to support this statement?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Look it up Obs, their was even a program on it, and look North West did a bit on a girl who had all A* in her A levels but could not get in, she applied to Princeton in the States and got straight in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Perhaps they were full? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Full of people with the right family connections or the right coloured school tie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 You mean our higher education system is corrupt? Suggest you PM the PM right away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Full of people with the right family connections or the right coloured school tie WHY is that a problem? Doesn't the cream rise to the top? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Is that the thick bit at the top?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 This topic has me totally confused. The usual suspect is now telling us that the education system is letting today's kids down. Previously we heard how today's exams are too easy as too many get an "A". So which is it? Results too good, or schools too bad, or just whatever soundbite he can get in today's social whinge about? As a parent of two teenagers, one in her final year at college and heading to Uni in the autumn, I can only say from my experiences with school in Warrington, that it, and the teachers, are light years ahead of what I experienced in my day. This applies especially with regards to planning for university, careers, and life after school, where much help and guidance is provided, plus parents kept involved, and expected to be an active part of the process, and not just someone that gets sent a report card at the end of the year. All of this at complete odds with the general theme on here (and it has oft been repeated) that exams nowadays are too easy, and teachers are rubbish. I suspect this comes from those who have no actual experience whatsoever with what happpens in today's schools to be able to comment with any credibility whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Good post Fatshaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 But it also begs the question about why so many employers are complaining of the poor literacy and numeracy of potential employees plus their general attitude towards work and those in authority! Some of it is down to parents but literacy/numeracy skills are mostly in the hands of schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Probably it is a bit of both. At the end of the day, if the parents don't take an interest or can't be bovvered the child will not get the encouragement to do their best. Could also be a geographical problem. At the teachers meeting recently, weren't they complaining about the problems of children running amok at some schools? The literacy thing is down to the teachers (Some?) not being able to spell. It doesn't help when some high flyer said last year that spelling didn't matter. Take calculators off them, and teach them mental arithmetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 I agree, plus until teachers are allowed to discipline children properly, the children will always have the upper hand. I don't know that parental support was necessarily relevant in the past. If the child was inspired at school they saw education as a way out of their situation. Didn't many illiterate miners have lessons in secret to learn to read and better themselves because they had to leave school so young? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Not every kid can be a genius......(I was lucky ) But seriously; having kids who are unable to read properly or string a coherrent sentence together has been the case for decades. Some kids just don't want to learn and see it as a challenge to disrupt and come away from school with as little as possible. Those are generally the kids which would turn up for a job interview in a pair of shorts and covered in tattoos and ear rings. As my old friend Eric used to say of his son (who was never going to be top of the class....) "you can't teach bacon!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Nothing confusing about it Fats: Even in a system of mickey mouse subjects, made as easy as poss through modular segments and teaching targeted at passing exams - your still going to get some doing better than others, thus qualifying for "the better" Universities. This dumbing down process under Labour, designed to increase numbers entering Uni, will not have affected traditional standards of "the best" elite public schools, hence their over-representation at Ox-bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Lt Kije wrote: Full of people with the right family connections or the right coloured school tie WHY is that a problem? Doesn't the cream rise to the top? Some kids Peter are pushed to the top by their parents wealth and connections at the expence of kids who have more ability but do not have the connections. How many of our high court judges did not go to public school Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 They must still have to qualify to get into OX-bridge - presumably something that can be checked under the freedom of info act?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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