observer Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 We seem to live in an era where "an apology" sorts everything, NATO blow up some rebels - issue an apology - then buisiness as usual etc etc. But how far back do we go for "an apology", and on what legal basis can compensation be morally claimed for an injustice? The current claim by ex-Kenyan terrorists for compensation under HR legislation is yet another example of this absurdity. How far back do we go - can those of us with Celtic ancestors demand compensation from the Italian Gov for crimes commited by Roman Legions? Can modern standards of HR law be used retrospectively to judge a period when slavery for example was an accepted norm? And should the descendants of British soldiers tortured and murdered by Mau Mau terrorists, also be entitled to lodge a claim for compensation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 I would say you could only go back one life time, If all involved are dead then you can not claim for money Not very nice to know that the British Empire were castrating people though Obs as late as 1950 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 Given what the Mau Mau did, there shouldn't be any complaints. Didn't we have this somewhere else a year or two ago? Perhaps the "No win No fee" lot are doing the rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 8, 2011 Report Share Posted April 8, 2011 The Kenya Human Rights Commission has said 90,000 Kenyans were executed, tortured or maimed during the crackdown, and 160,000 were detained in appalling conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 Alls fair in love and war! Given the way they were treated, you'd have thought none of them would want to emigrate to the Mother Country, having secured their independence?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 How many Kenyans are over here Obs. Or is this one of your hit and run posts that you will not back up, Again you had to bring race and immigration in to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 Never mind the stats, Kije. Read the facts about the Mau-Mau. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 That was one of my wind Kije up posts - and it worked a treat! Think you'll find that we've taken in everyone and his dog from our old Empire. They were given (or seized) their "independence" throughout the 50s, and for some strange reason were granted a British and Commonwealth passport, and then used their newfound "independence" to get on the first boat to Blighty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 I know the facts about the Mau Mau Answer the question Obs, What percentage of African Immigrants are Kenyan. I don't think you have a clue. Its just one of you're sweeping statements You can not help yourself when it comes to immigration, you will take every opportunity to twist the knife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 Are you saying there a no immigrants from Kenya Kije? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 9, 2011 Report Share Posted April 9, 2011 No Are you saying their are lots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 Not aware that I mentioned numbers - but in my book, any population that claims "independence" and "freedom", then piles into boats to seek the succour of their previous "oppressor", arn't worth a light - so one would be too many! You'll note that the new found freedom of Tunisians, has allowed them to flood into Europe via the Italian island of Lampedusa. Berlesconi claims it's an EU problem, meaning that we've all got to take a bite of the s**t sandwich - but what happened to requisitioning some cruise liners, putting them all on board, then taking them BACK from whence they came - simples! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 10, 2011 Report Share Posted April 10, 2011 What is the percentage of UK citizens living in Kenya Kenya was classified by the UK as a stable Country so people coming from their could not claim asylum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Well, on the basis of that statement Kije, there must be a hell of a lot of "unstable" Countries around. Since when as assylum been the only means of staying here - never heard of sham marriages or just knocking up a British girl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 11, 2011 Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 Have you stats for your claims or are you just generalising again. I have heard of a few Nigerian sham marriages but not any from Kenya yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2011 What a wierd style of arguement - we have/had a sunami of immigration into this country over the past two decades, at around 250,000 per year, be it from the EU or non-EU, and your trying to dwell on Kenyan immigration, as if it makes any difference in itself rather than it's cumulative effect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 So you were just spouting your propaganda, the topic is about Kenya Obs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Not quite, the topic was about apologising for alleged injustices from the past - of which, the Kenyan compen claim is just the latest example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 12, 2011 Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 I wholeheartedly think we should not; under any circumstances, apologise for past "injustices" because we now have situations where some old people in Kenya have been tapped by the "no win, no fee" lawyers and are in line to make more money than a service man who has lost his legs in Afghanistan. Will we get an apology from Pakistan for allowing the parents of the 7/7 bombings to move here and have kids here who went on to be terroists? will we buggery..... What has happened is history. Get over it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2011 Perhaps, instead of this apology culture, anyone who fouls up should be presented with a loaded revolver (just the one bullet) - that should concentrate minds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 In this case Baz, the people are still alive, And the crimes committed were done in our name by the goverment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Big boys games - big boys rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 In this case Baz, the people are still alive, And the crimes committed were done in our name by the goverment so bloody what? This compensation nonsense insenses me because the amount they screw out of the UK government when anything like this occurs is ridiculous in comparisson to what we pay our injured servicemen. Do we see the German government handing out money to individual Jews who survived the holocaust? Or the Japs handing out money willy nilly to surviving POWs who endured the most horrific of tortures under the little yellow blighters? do we heck as like. What we get now is "send us money because we've had an earthquake" They never even apologised properly for what they did in the war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Alls fair in love and war - so no need for apologies or compen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Bad example Baz the German and the Swiss, who were not even in the War have paid millions, and claims are still going though. Obs I wonder if you would feel that way if you had been castrated at 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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