Lt Kije Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I agree Obs, looks like we are in for the long haul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Here we go again - US was asked to do something and they have - no matter whether they do something or do not do something, they are always the bad guys. I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 I do not blame the Americans Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 The US assumed the mantle as the "policeman of the world" so I guess it goes with the territory - especially where there is no consistency of policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 They were only ?300,000 at dinner time! Bill $1.4 MILLION TO OVER $2 MILLION DEPENDING ON VERSION http://www.softwar.net/bgm109.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 They were only ?300,000 at dinner time! Bill $1.4 MILLION TO OVER $2 MILLION DEPENDING ON VERSION http://www.softwar.net/bgm109.html With or without batteries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Here we go again - US was asked to do something and they have - no matter whether they do something or do not do something, they are always the bad guys. I give up. Can only agree with this Mary. America is a big huge bogeyman to many in this country, there's no logic behind it, just an automatic response to all thinks USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Here we go again - US was asked to do something and they have - no matter whether they do something or do not do something, they are always the bad guys. I give up. Sorry Mary I didn't mean to offend you and I have nothing against America but the news reports over here both on our normal channels and sky/cnn keep going on about the wobbly stance taken by Pres. Obama and they are not showing him in a very good light at all. Would be interesting to hear what they are saying on your news channels as I guess they are calling us and everyone else eh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I listen to President Obama speaking on the BBC and his words to me sound extremely precise and genuine. Then they invite some newspaper columnist to add their comments and bingo, you end up with a completely different story. Again who?s right and who?s wrong depends on the individual but when it comes to who I?d trust, my money would be with the man elected to make critical decisions rather than one whose simply paid to make critical stories. We all have the right to express our opinions but it would be nice if people could bear in mind that when criticising a national governments or a whole race of people, it can be just as offensive as a personal insult. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I guess you are right in a way Bill and my opinions have, I suppose, been drawn from what I have read in the papers/online news stories and seen on news reports. I haven't actually heard Obama talking about it on TV I have now slapped my own hand and will try and watch the same programmes as you are watching before I make further comment although I'm not convinced that trusting anyone who has simply been elected to make critical dicisions is a wise move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Indeed, Obama is extremely thoughtfull and calculating; and no doubt still embarrassed by the failiure of his election promises to close Quantanamo and bring the boys home from Afghanistan and Iraq pdq. But his mates across the pond, Dave and Sarkastic were already getting the toys out of the box and gagging to appear macho, to improve their poll ratings after severe domestic cuts - so I guess, against his better judgement, the big boy was drawn into the game. However, the US is now trying to pass the ball to the Europeans, by asking NATO to take over, but this may not get support from Turkey and Germany. Like most military interventions, outcomes are totally unpredictable, the Iraq no fly zone lasted over 12 years and these little macho adventures cost ? money. As most military men know, bombing may flatten the ground, but it can't take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 As we need oil Obs, what do you suggest Ranting about decisions is easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Lt & Obs, I think this sums up your relationship very nicely: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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observer Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Wow - a liberal luvvie advocating the seiziure of resources by force! Quack! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Can someone please tell me who is actually making all the decisions at the moment with regard to attacks and action that we are currently seeing in Libya from the allies side ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 The Pentagon is in charge of Command and Control decisions--But the US is not directly involved, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Ahh I see. So I guess all the other allied forces know exactly what's going on then, what each of them are supposed to be doing, what their part is and as such they are all working together as a precise and united 'team' then ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/15/newsid_3975000/3975455.stm I thought I'd missed a months news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Diz, the Foreign and Defence Secretaries can't even agree with the Chief of Defence Staff - that the UN resolution does NOT allow the deliberate targeting of Gadafi. The no fly zone is, in effect, an air umbrella for the rebels, who are now continuing the fighting under it's cover - so much for a ceasefire or the protection of civilians. The whole thing appears to be one big hypocritical farce, with Quatar (noted for it's democratic freedoms) offering 4 planes as the token Arab involvement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I never said anything of the sort Obs, still waiting for your solution though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Solution? Not really any solution, global politics is about recognising a sordid global reality and dealing with it on the basis of lesser evils, based on OUR National interests and safety. As has been the historical precedent, global stability is based on a balance of power and influence, which sometimes requires dealing with totalitarian regimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 As we need oil Obs, what do you suggest Ranting about decisions is easy I'd suggest that paying for it would be rather more civilised than robbery with violence and murder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Well we're certainly "paying" for this adventure, in this era of cuts to public services, it seems our Government can afford ?2million per day for these big boys games! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 22, 2011 Report Share Posted March 22, 2011 Obs by moaning about the cost can I take it you disagree with whats being done or are you just taking the opportunity to moan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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