Steve the Original Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 @mobeyone Welcome to the forum and of course we will be gentle with you!! nice first post.. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 26, 2007 Report Share Posted August 26, 2007 went through there on Friday on my way home. qued from 4 roundabouts back and ended up following the bus route round past the spar and then across the lights to 20 acre road. still took 10 minutes or more where previously would have been 2 minutes tops. Can't we vote this tosser Phil out?? or at least go and stick traffic lights outside his house? I see the councillors have gone quiet again.... time for a shake up? Baz\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 once again Phil Johnston has lied aboyt what he will do. before the traffic lights it was areview of yellow lines in town centre so far not one change or even an attempt to improve the situation goodbye Phil get out before you are kicked out and let someone who does sensible things take over. councillors note that the public has had enough of clowns ruining this town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 They were digging a bit of the road up at the new lights on Thursday!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted September 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 Rapidly losing patience with this nonsense now. My assumption that the survey team would have an effect was obviously premature. As bad as ever. On the plus side, as I'm a single issue voter, I guess my local councillors have just lost my vote next time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 from the guardian: TRAFFIC experts say it could cost ?500,000 to solve the problems caused by a controversial set of traffic lights in Westbrook that 'do not work'. JMP was hired by Warrington Borough Council to review the lights installed on Cromwell Avenue earlier this year. Its consultants have revealed that the traffic flow data used by the council when planning the measures was four years out of date. advertisementAnd they say the number of visitors leaving Gulliver's World - nearly 400 cars at peak times - wasn't accounted for. Speaking at a Burtonwood and Westbrook Parish Council meeting last Wednesday, Steve Hunter, the council's strategic transportation division manager, admitted that 'perhaps we didn't consider this quite as thoroughly as we should have done'. Darren Oldham, JMP consultant, said the existing roundabout was replaced with traffic lights to improve pedestrian crossing facilities. But he said: "The junction does not work. There is insufficient capacity in the junction. "Significant changes are needed to increase capacity." At peak times the junction is overloaded by 10 to 15 per cent. Mr Oldham said JMP recommends introducing a left turn lane for the traffic travelling northbound on Cromwell Avenue, which would cost around ?100,000 and would offer a significant improvement in capacity. But he said: "It will make things better but it wouldn't make the junction work on a day-to-day basis." He said changes to the traffic lights' timing and negotiating with Gulliver's World to stagger their customers' departure times could help. But for the junction to work properly, Cromwell Avenue would have to be widened to deal with traffic demands - at a further cost of ?400,000. And the consultant admitted the situation would only worsen with the Omega development and expansion of Gemini Retail Park. Burtonwood councillor John Joyce (Lab) demanded to know whether 'any knuckles were being rapped' over the errors. Mr Hunter said the designs were drawn up by an in-house team at the council and that the people concerned 'are aware of these errors'. Speaking after the meeting, Westbrook councillor David Earl (Lib) said: "I am really concerned that residents are going to say 'what a waste of money'. "The question is why didn't they do the groundwork in the first place?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted September 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 And what exactly would be wrong with reverting back to the old layout? Cromwell avenue doesn't need widening, there was no issue before this farce was built! Those concerned are awarew of their errors? They should be out the door, never mind aware of their errors!! THey spend a fortune - our money - without actually checking if they had the right design? What an astonishing foul up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayC Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 It will get worse soon when they finish putting the lights in at the end of Cromwell near to the bowling alley. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 It is refreshing to see a council can hold its hands up and admit a mistake - only problem is it is the local tax payer who will end up picking up the bill, although perhaps other efficiency savings can achieve this. :thinker: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulredden Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I often get caught in this conjestion and can only see it getting worse. I'm also concerned that my road could end up being a rat run through Chapelford to avoid the lights. It seems to me that a great deal of traffic is backed up at the lights by people waiting to turn right into Asda by the petrol staion because people can't get out and the mini roundabout gets locked up! :thinker: As a suggestion, and I would like to hear others ideas. I wonder what would happen if they changed the road by the petrol staion as a n exit only with left and right exit lanes. Then having the entrance by The Odeon which would then reduce the backlog at the lights and allow traffic to flow freely around the mini roundabout by the petrol station. I reckon that could fix it and wouldn't cost ?500k! What do people think about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Close that entrance of completely and get everyone to use the Odeon entrance? Alternative would be an entrance only with a box junction to prevent blocking. How abotu we just go back to the roundabout we once had which didnt cause any problems.....nah too simple that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted October 3, 2007 Report Share Posted October 3, 2007 And with no money left in the kitty, too expensive. As I keep saying before you can introduce congestion charging, first of all create the congestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 4, 2007 Report Share Posted October 4, 2007 Paulred.... we had that brilliant idea last year, stick all the traffic onto the small roundabout which leads to a cul-de-sac and also the road which leads to a quite large and popular primary school, a library, office block and doctors surgery. Add to that the numerous delivery lorries for ASDA, Frankie and Bennys, the school and the cinema. Finally add a generous sprinkling of parents dropping off and picking up their kids from school and you will then realise why that idea was thrown out!! Cars would be backed up into the close on one side, the school on the other and the road alongside the school would become a rat run to avoid the congestion. Maybe a better idea would be to have the entrance/exit on the almost empty and doesn't affect anyone road on the other side of the complex? or the great big roundabout with the bridge on? Surely that side of the site should be exploited... no houses, no businesses, no kids to run over... [ 05.10.2007, 00:19: Message edited by: BazJ ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 You can't do that, it won't create chaos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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disgusted Posted October 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 I've got to say that the idea to make an exit at the far side of Asda coming out just below the red bridge with left turn only sounds a great idea! Exit only, with access only from the current petrol station side road. Anyone wanting to head down Old Hall way would simply do a 360 round the roundabout. Surely the cost of an exit there would be minimal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted October 5, 2007 Report Share Posted October 5, 2007 thinktherer is a water course at that point so not as easy, howevever bound to be less than ?500k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 6, 2007 Report Share Posted October 6, 2007 Adrian, with all due respect; they put a man on the moon and a tunnel under the Channel.... a little brook shouldn't be too much of an obsticle to a local bridge builder!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 i wasnt suggesting it was impossible, just not a case of laying soem trmac thats all. I actually agree that the main exit should be there but wont happen unless ASDA agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 It is now over thre months since the stupid lights at ASDA were raised and yet the only answer given is to waste another half million paying the useless consultants to "rectify" their mistakes. No one sacked yet WHY NOT Why allow the same mistake to be made at Fordton? stop the nonsense now and get someone with sense in to sort out the mess that the Environment transport management have made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Originally posted by wahl: It is now over thre months since the stupid lights at ASDA were raised and yet the only answer given is to waste another half million paying the useless consultants to "rectify" their mistakes. No one sacked yet WHY NOT Why allow the same mistake to be made at Fordton? stop the nonsense now and get someone with sense in to sort out the mess that the Environment transport management have made. The consultants were not to blame for the shambles as stated already. THis was down to the in-house council team. Due to their incompetence outside help has had to be recruited at further expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 I am told the man in charge of the department responsible for this calamity will be leaving the council at the end of the month for a career as a consultant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted October 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Originally posted by Gary: I am told the man in charge of the department responsible for this calamity will be leaving the council at the end of the month for a career as a consultant :biggrinbounce: :biggrinbounce: I'm sure he'll be in big demand! :biggrinbounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 With Warrington Borough Council perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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