asperity Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 The rest of the world are NOT shouting at China and India. The rest of the world are watching and saying why aren't we doing that? Governments excepted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 No Asp you are saying that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 No LtKije YOU are denying that. The reality is that energy from fossil and nuclear fuels is all we have at the moment, and until someone comes up with a viable alternative we are stuck with that reality. Wind, solar and tidal are NOT viable at the moment. Live with it and stop dreaming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I'm all for nuclear Asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Good for you!! Start pushing for it then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I think you'll find I have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 The rest of the World are shouting at China and India for building coal fired power stations Ricky because they are producing to much CO2, if we built more we would be adding to the problem  Im sorry, but CO2 is very over hyped, there is little need to cut CO2 emissions, climate change has been occuring for 4 billion years, not since records began. over histoy there has been periods where CO2 levels have been well over 400 PPM.  in my opinion if you cut the SO2, and the soot from coal power plants (which is possible) then you have a method of generating electricity which neither damages the environment, or puts the lights out, or makes electricity bills so expensive that 90 year old Ethel dies from hypothermia (an indirect concequence of the EU "carbon" targets). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 What Ricky says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Thats a first blaming the EU for the elderly dying of the cold, How about putting the blame where it belongs the Privatised energy companies for putting profit before life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 It wasn't the energy companies that came up with the renewable energy obligation and pledged to reduce CO2 emissions to the same level as 1850! The energy companies obviously pass on the increased cost (taxation) on to the consumers (including OAPs) and so, yes, the EUSSR (always give them their full title LtKije) ARE fully responsible for the deaths of the elderly whose fixed pensions cannot support the criminal increase in the cost of heating. Welcome to the real world yet again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Is it not the energy companies that turn off the gas and electric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 You know that is just not true. They are not allowed to just cut the power off. Stop being a troll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 It is you thats being a troll, trying to blame the EU for everything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Thats a first blaming the EU for the elderly dying of the cold, How about putting the blame where it belongs the Privatised energy companies for putting profit before life  Unfortunatley thats the nature of capatalism, im as much against british gas declairing ????several million profits while OAP's die of the cold as much as the next person, but let me explain the link.  the Europan Union, in their infinate wisdom decided to force each member state to adhere to a certian ammount of carbon dioxide (plant food) being emitted, made it into law. So Britian, being subervient to the empire, decided to commence a program of building wind turbines, to replace the closure of coal plants, and eventually nuclear, when they come to the end of their life. Unfortunatley, for reasons beyond Chris Hulne basic understanding (and David milliband, when liebour was in charge), the Weather is variable, and we get anit cyclones as well as cyclones. which makes wind turbines highly ineficient, load factor being 25% in some cases, whcih makes wind farms unprofitable, so in comes subsidies. ?300,000 for each turbines. according to the torygraph this has reached ?1 billion, ?1 billion to add onto electricity bills, for a scientific theory  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/7061552/Wind-farm-subsidies-top-1-billion-a-year.html  Clean Coal for the medium term, opening up british pits. throium for the log term. Smart meters are due to be compulsory in a few years, interesting that they can allow a remote user to switch off the electricity, maybe they are predicting an energy crisis due to the irresponsible energy policies based on a hypothesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Ricky I make my living working mainly on power stations Opening up the dead British coal mines would cost trillions, putting more onto the cost of energy. If Maggie had not shut them down it would have been a different matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 It is you thats being a troll, trying to blame the EU for everything  I'm not blaming the EUSSR for EVERYTHING, our own government has to take it's fair share of the blame for doing everything the EUSSR demands without question. You really are so naiive LtKije, it defies belief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 If I were you I would give those conspiracy theory books a rest for a while, You'll be coming up with the EU has been taken over by aliens next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Ricky I make my living working mainly on power stations Opening up the dead British coal mines would cost trillions, putting more onto the cost of energy. If Maggie had not shut them down it would have been a different matter  While it will require an investment I personally doubt it would cost trillions. I predict a re opening of the pits when the worldwide energy crisis hits. Thatcher fans say she closed them to preserve energy supplies for the UK, but I personally think its so the unions dont have the power.  Currently we import coal from the Eastern bloc countries, which contains more impurities such as sulphur than British coal, reopening pits should be left to private enterprise (possibly regualted), securing energy supplies for years to come, giving some of the 2.5 million unemployed a wage. coal plants adhering to strict polution controlls (CO2 doesnt count ), hey presto, OAP's dont have to ride on busses all day to keep warm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 If I were you I would give those conspiracy theory books a rest for a while, You'll be coming up with the EU has been taken over by aliens next  isnt the EU way of doing things alien to us? (corpus juris, etc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 No conspiracy theory could come up to equal the reality that is the EUSSR. It is nothing short of evil and the sooner we get ourselves out of this unelected regime the better. I am, however, not stupid enough to hold my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 It's not a question of just pumping them out, when you let a pit flood the ground round it becomes unstable, You have to spend a lot of money pumping out the water and then a lot more money reenforcing your new pit, yes it could be done but the cost is prohibitive, especially when coal can be got from abroad at a fraction of the cost, which is why Maggie closed them in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Maggie's primary motive was the destruction of the trade unions (especially the NUM) and with it, went our manufacturing base and any possibility of a self sufficient energy policy. Thus began Gov's love affair with "the City" and our reliance on the service sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Japan declares emergency at another nuclear plant An official wears protective clothing while waiting to scan people for radiation an emergency center KORIYAMA, Japan ? The U.N. nuclear agency says Japan has declared a state of emergency at another earthquake-affected nuclear plant where higher-than-permitted levels of radioactivity were measured. Â The International Atomic Energy Agency says Japan informed it that the source of the radioactivity at the Onagawa power plant is being investigated. It said all three reactors at the plant are under control. Â Japan also said authorities at another plant have resorted to using sea water to cool a second reactor in an attempt to prevent a meltdown. Â Japan said earlier attempts to cool the No. 3 reactor at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant had failed. Sea water is also being used to cool the plant's No. 1 reactor. Â Nuclear Power is dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted March 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 Life is dangerous Mary, it doesn't mean we should give up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 13, 2011 Report Share Posted March 13, 2011 I agree Asp, especially when you consider Japan has very little coal of her own, certainly not enough to be energy self sufficient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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