Dizzy Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 Welcome to the forum Ricky and as Wolfie says... good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted January 19, 2011 Report Share Posted January 19, 2011 And thank goodness Adrian's still around, or some posters might go wibbling on about what this isn't about. Â Oh.... Â Nice try anyway, Ade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Good post fug. Hope it's not a one off like Ade's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Who's Ade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Long time poster AdrianR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 interesting point. if they had been married in a civil ceremony would they have been allowed to stay in the same room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'm still around  The point as i said before is the civil partnerhsip status they have is an equivalent marriage. The B&B said their policy was for non married couples. That woudl be okay but these two were "married". I dont want to get into arguments over their marriage but thats the law and they rightly won.  If you disagree with the law thats another thing, but it has been correctly applied.  As for kids, they arent adults and therefore are excluded from certain rights by statute ie. pubs but allowed others. This again allowed to protect the children. The age of majority is 18 not 16 but again there are exceptions i.e. driving / lottery / armed forces etc.  Remember a pub is run by a liscensee and the definition of a licesne is the permission to do something. A Postman visiting your house can do so on the basis of an implied liscense and isnt a trespasser.  The bill for such advice is in the post! (typos noted but done this in a rush!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Thanks for reply Adrian, but forgetting pubs how can a HOTEL refuse admission to children, in particular if they are with parents and wish to stay in the same room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Aren't Hotels liscensed too... that would make them fall into the same category as pubs and AdrianR's reasoning would still stand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 OK - a bl***y unlicensed one then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 OK Wolfie... Â Lets start again. You obviously have a bee in your bonnet and you want to go to a hotel/B&B but they wont let you go if you take your? kids. Â So which hotel/B&B is it and where is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Diz - I don't wish to go to any hotel or B&B and my kids are all grown up. I would just like someone more knowledgeable than me (which shouldn't be difficult) to explain what the difference is between an owner saying that they refuse entry to non married couples and an owner who says no kids allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I really have no idea Wolfie  I didn't know some hotels also refuse unmarried couples though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 They don't refuse unmarried couples, they give them seperate rooms, the couple who have just lost their case give double rooms only heterosexual married couples. They have been well and truly shafted by the "lets pander to minority brigade"; but what this set of buffoons don't realise is that the minority is actually this couple of devoted Christians. What a depressing downward slope this bloody country is on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Diz - I don't wish to go to any hotel or B&B and my kids are all grown up. I would just like someone more knowledgeable than me (which shouldn't be difficult) to explain what the difference is between an owner saying that they refuse entry to non married couples and an owner who says no kids allowed. Wolfie, lets look at this logically, the owner who refuses to let a room to non married couples is doing it purely on moral grounds whereas the owner who refuse to allow kids to stay just hates kids AND DOES'NT WANT HIS BLOODY HOTEL TRASHING. Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'de prefer a hotel full of kids to a hotel full of gays anyday. Â I'de prefer a hotel without kids and gays more though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted January 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I think the forecast is for Fog again tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'de prefer a hotel full of kids to a hotel full of gays anyday. I'de prefer a hotel without kids and gays more though. Give me one without any of the afore mentioned Hey! Wolfman lets hope it does'nt get too thick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 The question is what catergory is the discrimination. In the case the discrimnation was direct based on their sexual orientation which is illegal. Â kids can be discriminated against because they dont have the same rights and priviledges as adults end of. Hotels can have any policy providing that policy is not discriminatory against anyone based on gender, age, race or sexual orentation, but the person discriminated against must be an adult. Â This is what the equality act 2010 covers: ?The basic framework of protection against direct and indirect discrimination, harassment and victimisation in services and public functions; premises; work; education; associations, and transport. ?Changing the definition of gender reassignment, by removing the requirement for medical supervision. ?Levelling up protection for people discriminated against because they are perceived to have, or are associated with someone who has, a protected characteristic, so providing new protection for people like carers. ?Clearer protection for breastfeeding mothers; ?Applying the European definition of indirect discrimination to all protected characteristics. ?Extending protection from indirect discrimination to disability. ?Introducing a new concept of ?discrimination arising from disability?, to replace protection under previous legislation lost as a result of a legal judgment. ?Applying the detriment model to victimisation protection (aligning with the approach in employment law). ?Harmonising the thresholds for the duty to make reasonable adjustments for disabled people. ?Extending protection from 3rd party harassment to all protected characteristics. ?Making it more difficult for disabled people to be unfairly screened out when applying for jobs, by restricting the circumstances in which employers can ask job applicants questions about disability or health. ?Allowing claims for direct gender pay discrimination where there is no actual comparator. ?Making pay secrecy clauses unenforceable. ?Extending protection in private clubs to sex, religion or belief, pregnancy and maternity, and gender reassignment. ?Introducing new powers for employment tribunals to make recommendations which benefit the wider workforce. ?Harmonising provisions allowing voluntary positive action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 No wonder this country has gone to s**t..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I was just thinking, based on that charter: shouldn't disabled folk have the right to be coppers or soldiers? I have visions of a mobility scooter with flashing blue lights on it or an armoured one blasting it's way through Afghanistan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 No surprises there then. Â The equality act summarised by Adrian seems reasonable to me. Â Hey ho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 No surprise there then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algy Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 I was just thinking, based on that charter: shouldn't disabled folk have the right to be coppers or soldiers? I have visions of a mobility scooter with flashing blue lights on it or an armoured one blasting it's way through Afghanistan! Nice one obs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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