Cabriolet Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 This Toll Bridge causes mayhem nearly every day!! Surely they could let traffic through without stopping them for an hour or so when it's really busy! Tonight traffic was queued right back to the Woolston roundabout from the traffic lights at the bridge. Ridiculous!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Durnim Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Sometimes it is best going through Lymm, Grappenhall, latchford, Bruche and back to Woolston, it's a long way round, but quicker in time, if there is a delay, I agree it is a nightmre, especially if there is an accident etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Who owns the toll bridge is it the Manchester Ship Canal Company? If it is the MSSC how come they still charge a toll as wasn't it origionally charged for the old stone bridge but now the money goes towards that and the new bridge and the road maintenance. None of the other bridges have tolls on them so why should this one be any different. Sorry if it's a daft question but I've only ever been over it a handfull of times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 its owned by the Peel Group, also owners of the Trafford Centre and the ship canal .... because a tiny stream trickles under the stone bridge an ancient law still exists allowing a charge to be made. I remember a story from many years ago where a private ambulance used to come over the bridge, lights flashing and still have to stop to pay ?? well one night the private ambulance was coming over the bridge at 2am, and the toll booth was unmanned ... the driver simply stopped the ambulance, got out and went banging on the door of the toll keeper demanding that he get out of bed, get dressed and man the toll booth so as he could pay his money !!!!!! lol .... fair to say that since that day all ambulances have free passage over the bridge ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabriolet Posted November 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 I just don't understand why they are allowed to create such traffic mayhem!! Last week it took me an hour and a quarter to get to the toll bridge from Warrington. Silly me thought there was a problem on the way to Manchester but the delays were simply due to the toll bridge Something needs to be done!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Ancient laws mean nothing these days Indy and as presumably no-one else is involved other than Peels I don't know why they don't they just scrap the toll alltogether? Dates from the Rixton and Warburton Acts of 1863 and 1867 apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabriolet Posted November 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 They don't scrap it cos it's making them a fortune!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 How much does it make then as surely they have to pay someone to sit there and collect the 12p (or is it a machine these days ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabriolet Posted November 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 They have two people there, one for each way !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 ..... and how many hours a day is the toll in force for ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 there has been a toll payable since at least 1600 even when it was just a Mersey crossing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Couple of thousands, maybe as many as many as ten thousand, of cars a day and all those 12p's soon add up! Peel are hardly known for their charitable stance when asked to give away anything they can get away with charging for! I agree that the police or highway agency should have the power to demand the barriers opened whenever the tailbacks become excessive enough to impact the flow of traffic on other roads - as they always do whenever incidents on the motorways force large numbers of people to divert that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 What ...you are telling me that upto 10,000 cars a day can go over it Right at this point we need RodK... Think of all the pollution that must be caused with all those cars having to queue up, stop, pay their 12p then set off again at speed once they eventually get through the barriers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabriolet Posted November 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Exactly!! This morning the old dear in the booth was oblivious to the queue over the bridge and was happily chatting to all her mates as they passed by, making us all queue up for even longer! What a waste of fuel and time!! Getting home is just as bad, I pity all the folks who live in Warburton and have these queues outside their homes every night!!! Tonight it took about 30 minutes to travel half a mile!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 Madness no wonder it annoys you. I must remember never to drive that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 What ...you are telling me that upto 10,000 cars a day can go over it A car every 5 seconds or so at peak times, 12 per minute, 720 per hour - in each direction - 1440 per hour. Could easily reach 10,000 in a full day. Over a grand a day in tolls with just two wages to pay, no wonder Peel won't give it away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 If you think that's bad, just imagine what chaos the new toll bridge at Runcorn is going to cause, even if they have automated booths! (That's if anyone uses it of course!! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 The toll charge is a fact, the peak traffic volume is a fact......if you don't like either don't use the bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Bit of a selfish comment here Eagle I don't use it so makes no difference to me if the traffic backs up there or if they charge or not. BUT what about all the people who no choice and HAVE to use it daily ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Those that use it daily are happy to pay for the convenient short cut and accept the odd delay. It is the occasional users who do the whingeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 That's fine then... I didn't know all the locals and regular daily users were all happy about paying and not bothered about the delays No point in discussing any further then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 If they were unhappy about paying and unhappy about the delays then they would take a different route, wouldn't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 ... maybe you should re-read my post Eagle or are you just being grumpy and disagreeing for the sake of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabriolet Posted November 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 Those that use it daily are happy to pay for the convenient short cut and accept the odd delay. It is the occasional users who do the whingeing. I do hope you're not implying that I'm a whingeing occasional user!!! I use the bridge every day and am quite happy to pay the toll. What I am not happy about is paying for the privilege to be delayed by at least half an hour!! Maybe they should waive the toll if you are kept waiting Now there's an idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 5, 2010 Report Share Posted November 5, 2010 The toll bridge is a business and the bridge is an asset to its owners and that asset generates revenue. Delays are not their concern; only maximising the revenue, that is what business is all about. That's why the M6 Toll Motorway keeps upping its fees because people will always pay the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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