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Geoff Settle

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well you may mock.... but people are getting mighty fed up with the whole law and order (or lack of it) who knows what will happen??

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Indeed they are Baz and my fear is that we will get a lynch mob mentality. It is a sad reflection of the so called political class that our legal system has fallen into such disrepute and where sections of our society no longer "give a damn" about being law abiding. :(

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Hasn't Mike B shifted them yet? We have mounds of earth in Padgate that would stop tanks - mind you they did crack the local defences last year when they cut through the chained padlocked gates on the rugby field - it cost a fortune to clear up afterwards - and led to a bitter row at one or two Parish meetings between the local High School and the Parish Council.

 

Lesson learnt be very prepared, very prepared.

 

[ 09.12.2007, 10:56: Message edited by: Geoff Settle ]

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Originally posted by BazJ:

Generally they do a good job in extorting money from the motorist

That's probably because motorists are some of the worst offenders. Drivers without Insurance, MOT's, Licence, parking on double yellows and pavements, bald tyres, faulty lights, dangerous driving, stolen cars, using mobiles, speeding etc need I go on. That in itself is a full time job for the Police.

Perhaps if motorists behaved then that would allow the police to patrol our neighbourhoods.

 

Just a thought :wink:

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Originally posted by Paul Kennedy:

Nope, far more difficult....they own the land that they are on and have submitted retrospective planning permission for a 2 pitch, 4 caravan site.

They've got WBC banged to rights then.

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No, the land is green belt and many people have applied for planning permission for that site....and have been refused. The planning application will be robustly objected to by the residents and Parish Council. It will then be for the officers....and members to decide....and quite possibly the planning inspector. Time will tell as they say.

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Originally posted by busby:

Originally posted by BazJ:

Generally they do a good job in extorting money from the motorist

That's probably because motorists are some of the worst offenders. Drivers without Insurance, MOT's, Licence, parking on double yellows and pavements, bald tyres, faulty lights, dangerous driving, stolen cars, using mobiles, speeding etc need I go on. That in itself is a full time job for the Police.

Perhaps if motorists behaved then that would allow the police to patrol our neighbourhoods.

 

Just a thought :wink:

Oh please...

 

the police have all the means at their disposal to go and stop any driver from even leaving their house if a car has no MOT or tax etc. We have spent millions on ANPR systems and computer systems and they still can't rid the streets of them.

 

I would say that the MOT is no where near strict enough to keep some motors off the streets but that is another issue.

 

But still if you are happy with coppers sitting in Patrol cars nicking someone with a dodgy light rather than walking the streets stopping people getting murdered then you must obviously be eitehr a copper or very close to one because you obviously share the mentality when it comes to priorities

 

Baz

 

[ 09.12.2007, 13:53: Message edited by: BazJ ]

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As I understand it, Mrs Southworth has not responded to the residents' email, that invited her help, David Mowat and I as the Constituency Agent did and are working hard to help the residents, the L/D Parliamentary candidate didn't.......rightly much to the annoyance of the local L/D Councillor who is trying to do his best.....mind you I guess if it becomes a photo opportunity and a press release etc. there would be a change of mind.

 

Actually they have breached a number of planning regulations already.

 

As an MP, whilst I accept that it is a local authority matter, she should be looking at the wider implications and the current laws to see what if anything needs to be changed as it is those laws which determine LA policy etc. Such involvement does of course require an MP to have some ability and desire to get involved. Anyway as things currently stand, such matters will cease to be her problem on or before May 2010 with polling experts indicating that they will become David Mowat's problems. :wink:

 

http://www.warringtonsouthconservatives.com/index.php?sectionid=111

 

[ 09.12.2007, 17:31: Message edited by: Paul Kennedy ]

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they haven't done anything wrong.
Oh yes they have.Can i just buy any piece of land and then live on it in a caravan?No i can't so why should they get away with it?

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I think you are much too generous in your defence of the person, Geoff.

 

I have heard that some people are saying that all that really matters to her is publicity. A photo opportunity here, a campaign there, and a passing band wagon to jump on, does seem to be her modus operandi from what I have seen.

 

Mind you in fairness when you have a job in Birmingham and are trying to be a parliamentary candidate 80 miles away in Warrington, it really can't be easy.....wonder where her husband Chris, fits into all of this.

 

Maybe they should have done what we did, choose a local candidate who can work in the constituency full time from a proper constituency office. :D

 

[ 09.12.2007, 18:59: Message edited by: Paul Kennedy ]

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No Obs that the Judges looking after the multi-nationals.

Paul you're dead right again sh'ell soon fade away like her makeup when the going gets tough. :D

 

[ 09.12.2007, 21:39: Message edited by: Geoff Settle ]

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Little update....

 

A Mr Mike Smith paid approx ?100,000 to buy the former Grappenhall Lodge site on Cartridge Lane.

 

Although the travellers have already moved on there they want planning permission four caravans

 

He wants the application for between three and five years in a bid to find a "gipsy-traveller site on non-green belt land".

 

(is that the SAME site or a DIFFERENT one that they also have earmarked ??? )

 

In a letter to the council to support the application, Mr Smith says he has travelled in the Warrington and Middlewich areas most of his life but wants a permanent place to stay in order to find work and wants to give his children proper schooling. He has previously failed in bids to buy land at Nantwich and Leigh.

 

(do all primary schools in the area take children from traveller's groups and are there any spare places in any local schools to accomodate them :wink: :confused: )

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I think most schools are "encouraged" to find places for gypoes kids aren't they?

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With 100,000 in his back pocket he could have

(A) bought a very nice home,

(B) Paid for an excellent education for his kids,

I wonder why he didnt do it this way ? :wink::wink:

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Originally posted by Dismayed:

Little update....

 

A Mr Mike Smith paid approx ?100,000 to buy the former Grappenhall Lodge site on Cartridge Lane.

 

Thomas Hetherington Smith, and the land was bought for ?155,000 with the aid of a commmercial mortgage.

 

I think Mike Smith was the person who bought the site of Chester Road in Walton.

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Originally posted by BazJ:

I think most schools are "encouraged" to find places for gypoes kids aren't they?

I'm not sure... I know Stockton Heath Primary has always had available places to accomodat but I'm not sure if any of the others local school actually do.

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Originally posted by Paul Kennedy:

Thomas Hetherington Smith, and the land was bought for ?155,000 with the aid of a commmercial mortgage.

 

I think Mike Smith was the person who bought the site of Chester Road in Walton.

So if he gent in question already owns the large site in Walton then why his statement over planning re needing somewhere to settle down, gain employment and schooling for his kids...

 

Already got that hasn't he ?

 

[ 19.12.2007, 19:58: Message edited by: Dismayed ]

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