Penny drops in Germany -

[observer]

Angela Merkal has now conceded that the "experiment" with multi-culturalism has failed; as more politicians respond to public disquiet at the number of immigrants now in Germany.

[Peter T]

Does that mean the signposts will now say London?

[fugtifino]

Heh, them Germans and their "social experiments" eh? I mean, if they can't get it right, who can?

 

Oh...

 

And, it's "Merkel", fgs.

[Steve the Original]

Well they have been trying to get intergration to work for years and you have communitys here where no one speaks German,their kids dont speak German very well and to be honest the idea was good but just not feasable, they even came up with the idea that the kids will have to p,speak German on the School playground...how are you going to enforce that?? most are in gangs/groups and they are left to their own... personaly i would send them back to their homeland if they cant reach a minimum level of the German Language within a 3 year period...this should apply to their parents as well......

 

I dont care where they come from but as they say,"When in Rome..do as the Romans do"....if not then sod off back...

 

 

Steve

[algy]

I remember in the 1940s' Germany a little stocky chap with a tash mucked about with social and multi-cultural experiments and look where that got them.

[Lt Kije]

Nothing for me to disagree with in her full speech, I have no problem with immigrants having to learn the language of the Country they live in

[observer]

Not sure the Germans would want to find a "final" solution; but no doubt if that little fella with the tash reappeared, he'd be getting quite a few votes!

[Lt Kije]

I think not

[Sue Durnim]

Well, at least Germany tried and gave it a go, and honest enough to admit that the multi-culture experiment seems not to have come to much, which is refreshing to hear from a government.

 

Now that Germany is re-unified, they must have enough people and modernasition to do to keep the local workforce employed and less need to rely on the ?Gastarbeiter?, mind you every wealthy nation in the west seems to have the same problem and coming to the same conclusion, it is what the person in the street and pub have been saying for ten?s of years, and what people in France are always striking about!

[observer]

Right on Sue; Kije and Co are in denial. In the case of Germany, the Turkish Leader is even arguing for seperate Turkish speaking schools for them. Integration is about assimilation into the main stream of any host nation, it means adapting to and adopting (at least in public) it's laws and customs, and it's language. IF they are not prepared to do that; then it should be the next plane home.

[Lt Kije]

Sorry Obs I am not in denial, see earlier post

[observer]

You deny reality, cos it doesn't fit your rose tinted view of the world.

[Sue Durnim]

Right on Sue; Kije and Co are in denial. In the case of Germany, the Turkish Leader is even arguing for seperate Turkish speaking schools for them. Integration is about assimilation into the Totally Agree Observer!

 

Originally guest workers in Germany were allowed to stay for two years only, probably still the case, not sure if the UK have a similar rule, but as always it is not enforced or people are clever or devious enough to avoid it?

 

May be Europe should take the Australian route, and only allow people in if they have the much needed skills to benefit or to compliment the existing workforce or skills gap.

[observer]

Simple (see immigration topic): Visas can and should be granted for fixed periods, to allow required skills into the country, allow "paying" students on bona fide courses or for tourism. Once the visa has expired, they go back home. In the case of "assylum seekers", they should apply to our Embassies in the Country next to their Country of origin, rather than travelling half way round the world to arrive on our door step and then cost the tax-payer ?????s in legal aid for the Human Rights Lawyers to fight their case. Finally, for "illegals", entering under lorries or on spurious student visas - immediate transport home. Sorted.

[Lt Kije]

Obs what am I denying

[Mary]

If there were no boundaries then there would be no problems - but there are boundaries so there will be problems.

[Lt Kije]

I would agree with that

[Bazj]

Obs what am I denying

 

You always deny there is a problem with immigration and the integration of immigrants; particulary Asian and Muslim immigrants.

 

Their culture does not like integration into a society with general religious beliefs that are at odds with theirs; hence the desire for sharia law etc.

 

Germany now has a problem. The government has openly admitted that their multi-cultural society isn't and won't work, so what do they do now? Surely the only real solution is to get rid of the ones that won't integrate?

[P J]

[quote="Baz J

Surely the only real solution is to get rid of the ones that won't integrate?

 

Hang on Baz The Germans were there first

[Bazj]

LOL

[Lt Kije]

Baz Why don't you read what she actually said Baz, before you attempt to comment, She is definitely not against immigration, which you would have known if you had bothered to read it

[observer]

Look Kije; the problem is one of simple demographics and (as the Germans say) liebensraum. Simple experiments with rats have shown, that if their numbers exceed the space available to them, such overcrowding produces violent reactions IE fighting. Humans are basically no different, but if you add, the factor of an alien culture in their midst, that refuses to integrate, that merely exacerbates social tensions and becomes the scapegoat for social unrest. This is exactly what happened in Germany in the 30s, and to believe it couldn't happen again, if the cocktail of social and economic conditions form an explosive mixture, is to sleep walk into a repeat of the German experience. You can't change human nature, but you can ensure that the cocktail doesn't attain an explosive level of mixture. Prevention is better than cure.

[fugtifino]

So, just to clarify, obs, is this what you're saying?

 

Humans are the same as rats (oddly enough, the Nazis compared Jews to rats in their propaganda).

 

The immigrants of today are the same as the Jews in the 1930s, and if they don?t watch out they?ll get the same treatment.

 

To avoid this, they should send all the immigrants back home.

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You?re just like Hitler.

[Eagle]

Got it in one.

[observer]

Fugtifuno, but history has a habit of repeating itself.