observer Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 IF you were a hostage, who would you want to rescue you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Israel's special troops perhaps. The Americans are usually good at this type of thing. People will pick flaws in this case, but it is far from a precise art. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Batman....... he never let anyone get killed!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 'The A Team'....... Mr T is cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 In war, outcomes are less predictable than in any other human endevour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I would take the chance, and want rescue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 To be serious for one minute, personally I wouldn't be so stupid and selfish as to put myself in a position where I would need to be rescued and thereby putting the lives of my rescuers in danger too..... Remember that doddery old sod Norman whatsisname who got captured in Iraq and was rescued by the SAS and didn't even have the grace and dignity to say thanks..... I'd have given him back to his captors and let him go the same way as Ken Bigly These do-gooding aid workers annoy me.... they think they have a right to go swanning off into war zones to preach their nonsense and hand out packets of biscuits without any thought for the consequences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Those that go to help in practical ways, like offering Medical help ect are to be applauded, If they go to sell religion, they should be stopped from going in the first place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Well that silly woman who just got killed went out handing out medicines...... look where it got her. It could have ended up with even more dead but thankfully the soldiers were safe and the ragheads took a beating. People like her should have their passports taken away. Stick the aid on a plane and throw it out of the back or on an aid truck driven by locals if you really must give the stuff away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Sorry, but I applaud the woman and other "aiders" - they are "do gooders" of the best sort. Likewise those who go out and preach their gospel. At least they believe in something. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 I agree with you harry and they know all the risks before they go, but their priority is to help others. I wouldn't have the courage to do what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 As I said earlier I am with you both on this, except for the bible bashers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Prevention: the first method of avoiding becoming a hostage or indeed any other situation rquiring rescue; is NOT to enter a high risk enviroment in the first place - so Baz is correct. Whether it's Afghanistan, Africa, potholing or mountain climbing - just don't go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 obs life IS a high risk environment, at least nobody gets out of it alive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Obs, in my opinion you have not thought your last post through. Where do you stop - climbing trees, swimming in the sea? - nearly everything in life carries a risk. That's why these elf and safety people are having a bonanza. This country was made great by people who took risks. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Completly agree Harry, Obs one minute you are calling elf and safty, the next your all for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Assessing risk is a natural gift, with some being more tuned to their abilities and training within a given enviroment. Generally, younger (fitter) folk tend to have a higher risk threshold than older (more experienced) grumpies. In life, you will get "risk takers" who through training or practise have stretched the boundaries (Evil Kanevil etc), but you also have a mass of clueless incompetants who stumble into situations where they are completely outside their depth of experience or training. Whether it's some do gooder in the midst of a war torn third world Country or some wannabee hill walker, who ignores the rules or professional advice, and gets stuck in the mire. They then cause the need for other (professional) folk, to enter the "risk zone" to get them out. Been there - got the T-shirts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 The only long term solution to a hostage situation is the "zero/zero" option. If zero hostages survive that's acceptable, so long as zero captors and those who have conspired with them survive also. If ANY hostages survive action taken against their captors then that's just a bonus. As others have said, those who've been taken hostage knew and accepted the risks when they went in-country. If we applied zero/zero then the number of hostage taking incidents would fall off dramatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Won't argue with your thesis, other than to challenge it's conclusion - any set of terrorists that believe dying is a route to paradise, won't be detered by the certainty of death, so the production line would continue. The solution is to eliminate the mickey mouse theology that motivates these nutters in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 'Mickey Mouse theology' - what exactly is that?? Theology isn't what drives many of them, just a determination to help others if they have skills to offer. Some would say we are put on this earth to help others along our way. I think that's a good thing, not something to be despised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Mickey Mouse theology, is the brainwashing of young minds into believing that something lies beyond our existence on this planet, a usefull tool invented by the ruling classes to ensure the lower orders tolerate their condition on the promise of something better. (The opiate of the people). This is magnified by the promise of paradise and the attentions of virgins for those dying in a Jihad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverlady54 Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Ah, I see, I probably hadn't read your post properly!! So are you applying your theory to just the terrorists or the hostages as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted October 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 I was thinking of the terrorists, however, your post prompts me to consider some of the hostages, who enter areas of risk out of some Christian compassion, and (like the Monks on Lindisfarn) turn the other cheek, just to have their heads taken off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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