Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Bazj

Just when the Tories were doing so well....

Recommended Posts

Along comes some half wit stupid Tory MP to say lets take the winter fuel allowance off pensioners who live abroad. But not the ones who go abroad for the winter???

 

What bloody planet is he on? In a country where we hand out child benefits to foreigners who have kids who live halfway round the world, or give extra benefits the more wives some ethnic community members have, he wants to stop money going to people who have paid into our system all their working life just because they live in Spain! but if they only go for the winter.... he wants them to still get the allowance!

 

Doesn't the prat realise that it gets cold in Spain too? we took my 80 odd year old mum to Ibiza in a heatwave and she still wore a cardigan at night!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Eh :roll: If they can afford to jet off to to Spain for the winter they can't be doing that bad on their pensions :roll:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Maybe but still can't get my head round this one.

 

Surely they go to Spain in the wimter to get away from the UK's chilly climate so therefore they dont like being in the UK at winter time...

 

Like I said the money they spend when they are there goes towards the Spanish economy and not the UK's so still don't see why they should get UK handouts if they aren't actually here.

 

I'm here, I'm bloody freezing and I don't get a penny towards my heating :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Presumably, the allowance is "so they can keep themselves warm in Winter" - some do it by having their heating on longer, and presumably some do it by moving to a warmer climate?! :wink: Alas, a slight improvement on Maggie's advice to pensioners - wrap up with extra layers of clothing; no wonder so many died of hyperthermia under her regime. :roll:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Of course there are some of us who belive that if the tax and benefits system was simplified and a more realistic state pension was paid the sort of things being discussed here would not happen. :wink:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Perhaps IF the Utilities were re-Nationalised, essential fuel costs could be subsidised and thus controlled, thus ensuring everyone accessed the basics. :wink:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Originally posted by Geoff Settle:

Somehow I think not - dream on

What do you think not about?

Re-nationalising? or it would not be better?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rather agree with you Geoff, particularly since many of our utilities are now foreign owned. My understanding of EU rules is that industries cannot be nationalised, the UK is treading a fine line with its nationalisation of Northern Rock.

 

Of course the irony with the privatisation of our utilities(I never bought any shares :wink: ) was that it was meant to create competition, the reality is that by and large, true competition was never really created and many utilities merged into larger utility companies to stifle competition....and the regulators have been ineffective...and of course in a truely competitive industry you don't need a regulator as such. :wink:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Such is the nature of the "private" sector Paul; Nationalisation gives democratic control; and the fact the EU objects to it is yet another reason to leave the EU ASAP. :roll::x

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Seems even Tories recognise that the only way to save companies is to Nationalise them - EG remember Rolls Royce?! :wink: As for the Utilities: once upon a time, I paid BRITISH GAS for my gas, MANWEB for electricity; N/W WATER for water and BRITISH Telecom for my phone - giving unto Ceasare what was Ceasare's and knowing exactly who was who, and what was what. :o:x

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Point being that the Tory creed would normally allow it to go into administration; but they decided to rescue it through Nationalisation; making it a BRITISH Company. :roll:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Simple Gung; it's called history and is about political consistency and principles - although I realise expediency is the current political currency, whatever suits the moment - and me. :wink:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I doubt there has ever been any longevity to political consistency and principles and certainly after 1979 and the realisation of the multitude of political disasters throughout the 1960s and 1970s by both major parties.

 

Socialism died in reality after 1985 with Kinnock's defeat of the militant tendency until Monday when a "group of Labour MPs broke into a chorus of "The Red Flag" in the corridor outside the tea room after 3rd reading of the Banking (Special Provisions) Bill".

 

The dark days may very well be returning....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As if to rub salt in the wound; British Gas (privately owned), having hiked their charges by 15% has just increased their profits five fold - says it all really. :roll::x

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Customers do have the choice of their gas supplier, and if people want to contribute to such profits then it is up to them.. I don't believe that if it wasn't a private company consumers would have any choice in who supplies their gas...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Please advise on the mechanics of Gas transportation - then explain "choice"? :wink: Absolute load of notional nonesense, just to allow blood sucking shareholders to feed of us. :o:x

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But the truth is that, by shopping around, you CAN pay less for the "same gas". Don't ask me how it works, I'm only a simple sailor. And you are perfectly correct that the energy suppliers are profiteers, but that's what people go into business for - to make profits. And the truth is that if the energy were privatised we would be paying more for a poorer service. It's all very well dreaming about government that has our best interests at heart. There's no such animal. :roll::roll:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  

×