Lt Kije Posted July 28, 2010 Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Got to say I'm with Baz and fug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2010 Too little too late, but at least somebody can see that what happened was a bit wrong: http://tinyurl.com/38h2kp7 This could well jump back up to bite someone on the [proverbial]*. * (fill [-] with whatever word fits best for you) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 * (fill [-] with whatever word fits best for you) fud? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted July 29, 2010 Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I take it fug, you're now accepting there is no srange media silence to make you suspicious anymore? Especially since, the far bigger story imo - Venables - which occured the day after this news story, has long since dropped from the headlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted July 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2010 I take it fug, you're now accepting there is no srange media silence to make you suspicious anymore? Nope. It's still not as prominent as I'd like it to be. Any editor in the country worthy of the title should be banging on about it 24/7. But I know that's not gonna happen, so it's all a bit meh. Especially since, the far bigger story imo - Venables... Nail/head interface thingie there: I think people who see it like this have it the wrong way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 "Unlawfully killed": http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13268633 I'm guessing there were no posters of this parish on the jury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyG Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Because it's irrelevant. Tomlinson was nothing to do with the demonstration. Now he's dead it's unlikely anyone will ever know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted May 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 Well, the jurors didn't think so: "Jurors added that the newspaper seller, who was not taking part in the protests, posed no threat." - (from the above link). I'm sure some people will still continue to try to defend the indefensible though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 I have always said the copper was a violent thug and should have been prosecuted.... It would appear that the policemans secondment to the TSG was a perfect vent for his obvious and proven aggressive behaviour. How he could have still been a copper in light of his previous behaviour is unbelievable..... just about sums up the "close ranks and lie" attitude of the current police forces we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 4, 2011 Report Share Posted May 4, 2011 I have always said the copper was a violent thug and should have been prosecuted.... It would appear that the policemans secondment to the TSG was a perfect vent for his obvious and proven aggressive behaviour. How he could have still been a copper in light of his previous behaviour is unbelievable..... just about sums up the "close ranks and lie" attitude of the current police forces we have. Hopefully now he will be and have the book thrown at him. While they are at it they should do every copper, who closed ranks and covered up, with at least perverting the course of justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fugtifino Posted May 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 What it says in the url: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/24/tomlinson-police-officer-manslaughter-trial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 Wonder if they'll be having this debate in Syria?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry hayes Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 No time for that type of policeman but i m surprised at the prosecution considering the CPS' normal reluctance to prosecute anything other than safe cases. (probably public pressure). Think it will be very difficult to prove an unlawful killing, although a conviction for a lesser offence is on the cards. Happy days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 What it will do, is make coppers reluctant to use any force whatsoever, just in case. From now on they will just stand and take whatever is thrown at them and by who. Seems right that this copper was brought to task but in the long run it's the baddies who win again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 The cops can't win - demonstrators wreck public property etc they're blamed for being too soft; sort out the nutters and they're too hard. It's OK for armchair viewers to pontificate on riots from the comfort of home, but judgement calls are most difficult in a riot situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teessidewire Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 What it will do, is make coppers reluctant to use any force whatsoever, just in case. From now on they will just stand and take whatever is thrown at them and by who. Seems right that this copper was brought to task but in the long run it's the baddies who win again. It won't make the slightest bit of difference, most Officers will just carry on as they have always done. Harry Hayes is right though, it will be very difficult to prove Manslaughter, and there are already problems with the differing pathologists views. His Lawyers will also argue that it will be virtually impossible for the defendant to get a fair trial. They will quite rightly say that he's already faced trial by TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 The police are very adept at getting away with stuff like this. Given the amount of time they have been at it its no surprise. I feel sorry for the many decent Bobbies who will be stained by the actions of this man and those who covered up for him and it seems continue to try to do. I see none of the resident coppers think he'll go down for it yet none of them seem to think him innocent either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 25, 2011 Report Share Posted May 25, 2011 I believe the officer involved has previous on this and should have been controlled better by his superiors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teessidewire Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 The police are very adept at getting away with stuff like this. Given the amount of time they have been at it its no surprise. I feel sorry for the many decent Bobbies who will be stained by the actions of this man and those who covered up for him and it seems continue to try to do. I see none of the resident coppers think he'll go down for it yet none of them seem to think him innocent either. I don't think he'll get convicted of Manslaughter, because the offence isn't manslaughter. He will probably get convicted some kind of assault. As for the police being adept at getting away with such things, that is just absolute rubbish. There are bad apples in every walk of life, it's an unfortunate fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 9, 2011 Report Share Posted June 9, 2011 The police are very adept at getting away with stuff like this. Given the amount of time they have been at it its no surprise. I feel sorry for the many decent Bobbies who will be stained by the actions of this man and those who covered up for him and it seems continue to try to do. I see none of the resident coppers think he'll go down for it yet none of them seem to think him innocent either. I don't think he'll get convicted of Manslaughter, because the offence isn't manslaughter. He will probably get convicted some kind of assault. As for the police being adept at getting away with such things, that is just absolute rubbish. There are bad apples in every walk of life, it's an unfortunate fact. And these bad apples, adept at getting away with things are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teessidewire Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 You've obviously got something against the Police with a comment like that. Bad Police officers are not adept at getting away with it. The few bad apples tend to get caught and punished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 You've obviously got something against the Police with a comment like that. Just the bent ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teessidewire Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 You've obviously got something against the Police with a comment like that. Just the bent ones. Well don't making ridiculous sweeping comments that seem to encompass all Police Officers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 You've obviously got something against the Police with a comment like that. Just the bent ones. Well don't making ridiculous sweeping comments that seem to encompass all Police Officers. By "sweeping comments" I presume you refer to the comment I made claiming that the police are very adept at getting away with things. I am sure even you can see that in order for a police officer to get away with something he must have done something wrong in the first place, therefore my comment is perfectly aimed at who I intended. You seem very touchy regarding any mention of police wrongdoings for some reason but I'm sure you are as clean as a whistle and therefore shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teessidewire Posted June 11, 2011 Report Share Posted June 11, 2011 You've obviously got something against the Police with a comment like that. Just the bent ones. Well don't making ridiculous sweeping comments that seem to encompass all Police Officers. By "sweeping comments" I presume you refer to the comment I made claiming that the police are very adept at getting away with things. I am sure even you can see that in order for a police officer to get away with something he must have done something wrong in the first place, therefore my comment is perfectly aimed at who I intended. You seem very touchy regarding any mention of police wrongdoings for some reason but I'm sure you are as clean as a whistle and therefore shouldn't be. Not at all. I was annoyed at your comment about 'they,' which inferred that all Police Officers are adept at getting away with things. If you are concerned about English Police being heavy handed, have a look at the French, the Germans, or the Italians when dealing with Public Order. I agree that this man should be prosecuted, I was simply pointing out that there is probably not enough evidence for a Manslaughter conviction, but probably enough for Assault. I also pointed out that his legal reps will probably try to say that he can't get a fair trial because of the extent, and more importantly, the depth of media coverage, which is probably quite right. Finally, your suspicions are partly right. I am a retired Police Officer. I served 30 years in Cleveland Police, 20 as a Sgt, and for the vast majority of that time I was Public Order trained and worked in some of the more prominent public order disturbances in various parts of the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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