observer Posted February 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 All the Argies need to do is bide their time, until our Defence Cuts reduce our Navy to two men in a paddle boat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 es we should defend the place with every ship we've got (ahhh Gordon cut spending on them didn't he?) with every soldier we have (ahhh... Gordon cut the spending on them too so what we have are locked into fighting a pointless was against a bunch of armed poppy farmers in Afghanistan) and with every plane and helicopter we've got (don't even go there!) In short, we are buggered because we haven't got enough military equipment to fight off the population of the Isle of Man at the moment! Drag the troops out of Afghanistan and lets go invade Argentina instead.... just think of all that free beef! Mind you, we could always go and sink another of their ships!! Before the first Falkland War Baz, Maggie was going to scrap our Aircraft carriers and 4 frigates, as we didn't need them anymore. You forget that the Tories cut public spending more than Labour, Just think how small our navy would be if they had been in power, and if they get in are they going to spend more on defence than Labour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Loo, you should change your name to Lt 'TheToriescut' Kije. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 They'll both be cutting after May, whoever wins the election, as part of our austerity penance, the Tories perhaps a little more quickly than Labour. There is already a "Defence Review" underway, which will decide just what we require to face the threats of the 21st century and at the same time live (spend) within our means. One suggestion could be: don't waste money and men in a futile and thankless war in Afghanistan, and perhaps evaluate future missions (like the ancient Carthaginians) on a cost and return basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 The Falklands are British just becasue there a long way off doesnt mean they do not belong to GB and they should be defended nomatter what. a lot of people lost there lives defending them and their loss should not be in vain.... THEY ARE BRITISH END OF STORY.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Durnim Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Just an idea, why don't the British and Argentine governments go 50/50 and share the island or should the British government do a Hong Kong and have a 'x' year lease then handover to the Argentine government?....just a thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 The treaty of Utrecht recognised Spanish sovereignty and this led to 40 years of Spanish occupation of the islands, which was reasserted in 1823 by Buenos Aires after its independence from Spain. Ten years later the islands were seized by force by Britain At the time of the Falklands crisis Maggie was about to discuss sovereignty with the Argentinians. This was as a result of a document presented to the UN and the British at the time clearly laying out the claims of Argentina. This document was so sensitive that the government prevented it's release and only recently has it been made available to the public via the National Archives. If Argentina had not invaded at the time, and it is clear that lack of response to the initial sabre rattling encouraged them to do so, then discussions over the Falklands would have happened years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve the Original Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Why should something thats British be shared?? they can be handed to the Argies in the year 200000000000000000000000 and not a day before.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Why should something thats British be shared?? Because the only people who believe that the islands are 100% British are .............................the British. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
safeway56 Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Plus the Falklanders. Incidentally...How is it possible to take an empty land by force ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Eh because it wasn't empty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted February 28, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Personally, I couldn't really care less about the Falklands, other than the fact that, if they do have oil, it could knock a few quid off the price of my petrol. BUT; hasn't the principle now been established by HMG, that in such cases - we ask the indigenous inhabitants, by whom they wish to be governed - a principle that seems to have been applied to-date to the Falklands, Gibraltar, Bahamas and Ulster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted February 28, 2010 Report Share Posted February 28, 2010 Trouble with that Obs is that most people their were born over here, they have had quite a population boom since the War, Alot of people went over as there are alot of jobs servicing the enlarged Military Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Think you'll find that all the folk living there )most for several generations), prefer an allegiance to the UK - oops. forgot, you don't believe in asking "the people"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LymmParent Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Whatever we do, can we all just try and do it without another bloody war and a load of coffins going home to all sides? Nobody ever really wins once the shooting starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 It's the nature of the beast - as Von Clausevitz said: " War is politics by other means". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithR Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 With Argentina 1000 miles away and Britain 8000, neither will be interested or capable of a war. A negotiated settlement similar to that offered in 1980 will be the obvious outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Obs I know what the people of the Islands would say, The UK put the people their they are bound to be pro UK. Just a small point on the War, We could have given every Islander at the time one million pound each if they had moved, We would have saved money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Just a small point on the War, We could have given every Islander at the time one million pound each if they had moved, We would have saved money What a daft thing to say Sgt.... we could say that aboput many things like; if we gave every Welsh speaker ?100,000 not to have us waste mikllions on translating stuff and printing everything in an ancient language that evevn now is a miniscule minority language, we would have been better off. Just throwing money at something doesn't make it right. The Argies invaded our territory and they got a kicking. It is enough that we let Ossie Ardles stay here and we still eat their Corned Beef (well I don't cos its awful stuff!) Personally I would have gone with the nuke option but there you go...... they got off lightly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 So it was Maggie who started the oil wars all along! Instead of turning the British Forces into nothing other than theiving pirates can they not for a change act with some honour? I don't see why any of our or the Argentinian forces should die for the price of oil or to protect the lifestyles of a few Falklanders. So I would suggest that the Faulklanders be given full independence of the islands but that the profits of the oil be used firstly to generously compensate the families of those lost or injured in the last Faulkland war. The remainder to be shared between Britain and Argentinia 50/50 in recompence for the costs / trouble of the war. Nothing can ever compensate for those whose lives have already been lost or destroyed, whats the point of more bloodshed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 Think your missing the sordid reality, as exemplified in the George Cloony film "Syriana"; the powerfull forces of the military-industrial complex wish to retain control of our essential resources (in this case oil) and will use Presidents and Armies to secure their profits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted March 1, 2010 Report Share Posted March 1, 2010 I'm not missing the sordid reality Obs! I just don't see why we allow a handful of power crazy, greedy Fat Cats on this earth push us around like placid pawns in their sick and greedy games! Bring on the revolution! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Ultimately money is power - and "they" control a huge portion of it. enough to buy a politician or two, and influence Governments - we are merely pawns in the game, and most don't realise how we're used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Weak egos are easily manipulated by techniques of social control! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted March 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 If the price is right, most folk can be bought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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