Bill Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Gary I stand corrected if that?s the case, however it begs the question as to why the council would include a company on any such a list if they were taking action against them. If as you say, the company was included on a council list, then by association, its giving credence to the company in the absence of any warnings. As for being unaware of the issues involved, you?d have to have been living in a very deep hole not to have known what was going on given the media coverage this has attracted. Had it been the case that this was something like a dodgey restaurant with a five year running accusation of none compliance, albeit legally unproven, would you or anyone else consider eating there? I doubt it. The company chose not to submit its vehicles and drivers to meet strict council rules and this fact was common knowledge. Therefore, any responsible organisation would be wise to not use or circulate information that might lead others to use such a service. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Gary I stand corrected if that?s the case, however it begs the question as to why the council would include a company on any such a list if they were taking action against them. If as you say, the company was included on a council list, then by association, its giving credence to the company in the absence of any warnings. As for being unaware of the issues involved, you?d have to have been living in a very deep hole not to have known what was going on given the media coverage this has attracted. Had it been the case that this was something like a dodgey restaurant with a five year running accusation of none compliance, albeit legally unproven, would you or anyone else consider eating there? I doubt it. The company chose not to submit its vehicles and drivers to meet strict council rules and this fact was common knowledge. Therefore, any responsible organisation would be wise to not use or circulate information that might lead others to use such a service. Bill FACT 1. Pink Ladies were licensed when they first started. FACT 2. WDP listed all accessible cab services in Warrington - this was not a recommendation just making people aware of the services available. FACT 3. The law of the land is you are innocent until proven guilty FACT 4. As soon as WDP became aware of the conviction the listing was removed. FACT 5. You should never presume someone is aware of something until you can speak to or be in direct contact with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 They should ground all vehicles until the appeal decides if the judgement stands, after all if it does stand then Pink Ladies will have been illegally operating for a further period after the initial judgement. What are they scared of in applying for licences to operate like any other taxi driver or taxi firm?? Do they believe that they wouldn't be successful in ther application? Come on girls if you believe you are a bonified service then get the licences just like everyone else who holds one ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 They should ground all vehicles until the appeal decides if the judgement stands, after all if it does stand then Pink Ladies will have been illegally operating for a further period after the initial judgement. What are they scared of in applying for licences to operate like any other taxi driver or taxi firm?? Do they believe that they wouldn't be successful in ther application? Come on girls if you believe you are a bonified service then get the licences just like everyone else who holds one ........ The simple fact appears to be that they don't want to have to pay the fees to be licensed Indy. A few thousand pounds per car by all accounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Well they are daft... The news report says they were fined operating (at least)?? two unlicensed private hire vehicles. Not sure where the 'two' came from but if that is the case then the fines they have amounted already, not to mention the small fortune it must have cost them already in legal advise with more to come it seems..... COULD HAVE EASILY PAID FOR THEIR LICENCES. Well that's not good business sense is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Well they are daft... The news report says they were fined operating (at least)?? two unlicensed private hire vehicles. Not sure where the 'two' came from but if that is the case then the fines they have amounted already, not to mention the small fortune it must have cost them already in legal advise with more to come it seems..... COULD HAVE EASILY PAID FOR THEIR LICENCES. Well that's not good business sense is it As I have stated on the news pages; they appear to be the two most inept business people I have ever seen. All they want to do is to bend or break the rules so that they can make more money. It isn't about private members clubs or nonsense like that, the bottom line is that if they don't have to pay for all the licenses and other fees; they will cream more money out of the business. I too would love to be selective with what I have to pay; how nice it would be to be able to ignore the VAT bill for once or the business rates demand, the trouble is that WBC or the VAT man would not bugger about for years before they finally prosecute me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 Perhaps they could get advice from this Forum. There certainly seem to be a lot of "experts" who are privy to the thoughts of Pink Ladies. As for media coverage, I only know about the ramblings that happen on here, and given the small percent of the population who use taxi's I doubt that very few people care or are interested. I do wonder whether these so called honest taxi drivers declare ALL their earnings to the tax office, as to my way of thinking, that is a bigger crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 As for media coverage, I only know about the ramblings that happen on here, and given the small percent of the population who use taxi's I doubt that very few people care or are interested. . Are you saying my press reports are ramblings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 As I have stated on the news pages; they appear to be the two most inept business people I have ever seen. All they want to do is to bend or break the rules so that they can make more money. Well they are not at all how I expected them to be... here are the two owners talking at the 2008 Creativity Wold Forum in Belgium Although one of them does say that 'she expects to WIN at everything she does... that's women for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 1, 2009 Report Share Posted August 1, 2009 well I have to say if all women looked like that there would be no safety issues!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 As for media coverage, I only know about the ramblings that happen on here, and given the small percent of the population who use taxi's I doubt that very few people care or are interested. . Are you saying my press reports are ramblings? NO Gary, I am not saying that. The media reference is to the Forum, NOT the news page. Although it could be said that your football knowledge concerning the poo does come under that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 well I have to say if all women looked like that there would be no safety issues!! That's not quite the point Peter. Did you only look at them rather than listen to them ... typical man Here's a question though and maybe TD or Bill can answer it.... Do chauffeurs (did I spell it right) and their cars have to be licensed in the same way that taxi/private/black cab (etc) vehicles and drivers have to be licensed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I sand by what I say you have some of the information Gary I am willing to talk to them before I say any more but I can back and prove and that?s a fact on what I say so we will wait and see hay Gary. as I have said pink ladies when to court because they where in -defiance of a law its not a new law waiting to see if can be used . I am not go give red face to any one but one find out the date when the council took them off their own list as to a safe private hire company. Its not the councils or the police job to check web sites for wrong information. For the passed four years Or from the date they failed to reapply for their licence the council could not have give the company the go ahead because it was not a licensed company by them Innocent till proven guilty your right of braking a law that was there in the first place or nothing to answer too but the law was there in the first place FACT. But most of all licensed driver and new drivers have to pay up to ?1,000 a year on difference parts of licensing a year on plus another ?3,000 plus on insurance a year just to show they are safe for the public to use. And a company can just not pay anything take work away from them so you all say this is right ? A company who publicity is all taxi and private hire drivers are unsafe ? Warrington drivers could use what they are doing but do not want to entertain that as this would put the public in danger. Every year the government and police spend your money tell and advertising the public not to get into unlicensed taxi or private hire cars as it?s a danger . gary you say FACT 4. As soon as WDP became aware of the conviction the listing was removed. can you send me the dates of this to see if we have the same date as what we have please. or tell us all. bill will its ok to have a meeting NOVEMBER 2007 from WARRINGTON BOROUGH COUNCIL JANUARY 2008 ? CHANGES TO LEGISLATION ? From January 2008, the current exemption from Licensing for drivers/vehicles and operators, who supply formal contract services, will be removed from the legislation. In brief terms, this will mean that virtually all vehicles (with up to 8 passengers seats) hired with a driver ? will have to be Licensed by the Local Authority. Those businesses currently offering ?specialist? vehicle services (etc. novelty vehicles/executive/chauffeur services) will have to be licensed and therefore regulated by the local Authority. Please see further draft proposals enclosed ? if you have any further positive ideas, please let us know by 4th December 2007. Sent out to Issue 13, November 2007 Distribution ? All licensed drivers and Operators/W.T.D.A/One Voice/All liaison stakeholders/Palmyra House Reception/Cllr Axcell/Director Env & Regen./Interim Head of Service ? Sustainable Transportation/Cheshire Police (Warrington & Headquarters)/WBC Communications/Private Hire Monthly/The Bulletin (NALEO)/Warrington Guardian/T&G.W.U/Dave Carroll ? Website Office a lot more like this all up to today date going back to 2007 just alone most are copyed on this site as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 But most of all licensed driver and new drivers have to pay up to ?1,000 a year on difference parts of licensing a year on plus another ?3,000 plus on insurance a year just to show they are safe for the public to use. TD....... Is that per driver and their vehicle PER YEAR If it is the case then I'm starting to see why PL's don't want to conform to the licensing rules. Over ?4000 per year per driver/car is huge amount of money and is totally obscene Saying that I suppose it only equates to ?11 a day which sounds a little better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 No they have to pay other cost as well. in the two i said in one alone are the following to all new driver there are cost in With in the licence fee Medical (end then every 3 years) CRBC checks (and then every 3 years) Knowledge test frees (only once unless you have to sit it again or you let your badge run out you have to take it again) Retest test fee if you fail the above every time until you pass Badge fee. The above now covers you as a taxi driver/private hire. New one is you have to go back to school but is free up to now and their could be a new driving test .all this will have to be paid for . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I suppose it depends on whether he?s offering a general chauffeur like service to the public in which case he?s effectively a one man private hire business or whether he?s employed by a company to carry a specific person. For example, the mayor has a dedicated chauffeur and nobody would question whether or not he was a chauffeur but others have run into trouble when trying to class themselves as chauffeurs. One notable case was the pub landlord who offered free chauffeur service for his regular customers. The case ended up in court where the judge claimed that even though no money had changed hands, this was effectively a taxi service subsidised by the spending money in the pub. There are bucket loads of other situations where the grey line gets hard to define. Your car breaks down and the AA take you and your car home; is that a taxi service? Some car hire companies offer lifts to and from the car hire depot; are they taxi companies? The list goes on and on and just gets silly ending up with the school run being a taxi. As for the fees, yes it is expensive to insure a taxi and pay the licence fees but that?s the rules that legitimate companies have to follow. I can?t comment on Pink Ladies insurance not knowing any of the facts but on the basis of how this company operates, I doubt it will be taxi insurance. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tara_dad Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 dismayed in jan 2008 the law and council Legislation have said Those businesses currently offering ?specialist? vehicle services (etc. novelty vehicles/executive/chauffeur services) will have to be licensed and therefore regulated by the local Authority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 So what differenciates between a normal everyday driver + car (being insured to carry passengers as lets face it that is what cars are for ) ..... with the likes of a members only service or taxi/private hire service who also carry passengers ? Both could be involved in an accident, or could suffer from third liability claims etc... but most normal insurance policies cover the driver against legal expenses and cover with regards to injury to others etc etc etc. So as long as PL's have insurance aren't their passengers covered in some way anyway ? Maybe they should go down the chauffeur route though.. as how posh does that sound... I'd love to tell everyone that 'I have my own schoffer you know dear.. and my real friends call me Hyacinthe B' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 Dismayed, they must be making it to pay those figures. There's no shortage of taxi drivers, and in fact there are probably too many which could be the reason that this kicked off in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 how posh does that sound... I'd love to tell everyone that 'I have my own schoffer you know dear.. and my real friends call me Hyacinthe B' Dis, my dad was the Chauffeur at Crosfields for 20 odd years and when I was growing up and first went to the Grammar school, I used to get Chauffeured door-to-door..... coming from Bewsey; I did feel posh!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sha Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Tara Dad, I use taxis quite a lot and would never want to ride in an unlicenced cab. So I appreciate what you have done in informing the public about pink ladies. thankyou Tara Dad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Tara Dad,I use taxis quite a lot and would never want to ride in an unlicenced cab. So I appreciate what you have done in informing the public about pink ladies. thankyou Tara Dad! Blimey.... so that's what he was saying all this time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I haven?t seen this personally but apparently the Pink ladies website is making a big issue about the male ?taxi driver? from Warrington who was jailed last week after having been found to have a kilo of heroin in his minibus. While they?re probably thinking this adds strength to their argument, they?re in fact shooting themselves in the foot because as it turns out, his business, just like Pink Ladies, was completely unlicensed and operating outside of council control. Being a minibus driver, he would also claim that legally he?s not a taxi driver and as such not subject WBC rules or any criminal checks and being a serial offender and all round dodgey character, I?d also have doubts as to the type of insurance that he was using. Would it pay up in the case of a claim from a passenger once it was disclosed what the vehicle was actually being used for? I'd doubt it! This sort of thing is exactly why rules exist however it also illustrate how a determined person can duck and dive their way around these rules. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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