observer Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 The ancient Greeks had a system where folk could be ostracised, and given (like Socrates) a cup of hemlock, as a quick way out - mind you it wouldn't work here, as the chavs tend to provide succour to their own. But I think the barren Scottish Isle sounds about right for permanent exile from society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 The rope is a better and more permanant exile Obs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Or Somalia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 A barren Scots Isle is not a bad idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Believe there is one Island off Scotland, where tests were made using smallpox virus during WW2, and it's never been occupied since - seems the ideal spot for a prison for lifers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inky pete Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Gruinard, it was used for an Anthrax test in 1942. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 VG Inky; seems an ideal location! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Its only about half a mile of the coast, they might be able to swim it. What about St Kilda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 ....but they would all still be breathing ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 a couple of trained orchas patrolling off shore should deal with any swimmers! Baz: remember what the sadist said to the masochist when being begged to beat him up - "NO!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Gruinard is virus free, Sheep have been living on it for about 15 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Anthrax isn't a virus, it's a bacterium. It was eliminated on Gruinard in 1986 by a company that was paid ?500,000 to do the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 10, 2009 Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 I stand corrected So St Kilda it is then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2009 Sheep?! Best reserve it for Welsh prisoners then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted July 11, 2009 Report Share Posted July 11, 2009 Obs If you win this one you know alot of prisoners from Yorkshire will sue you on human rights or equal opportunities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Daily Mail. "Teenage knife killers are enjoying a 'millionaire' lifestyle at a 'holiday camp' jail, an outraged former prison worker has declared. Inmates, among them some of the country's worst juvenile criminals, can watch 50in plasma screen TVs, play the latest computer games and even choose their own toilet seat covers for their en-suite bathrooms." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202481/Latest-games-giant-plasma-TVs-personalised-toilet-seat-covers--The-lavish-prison-lifestyle-juvenile-murderers.html As you know I'm against the death penalty, but am now beginning to question my belief in some instances. I am really despairing of our legal system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 27, 2009 Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Paul, we must have that chat sometime.... I'm sure I'll convince you to lose that liberal toga wearing "don't hang 'em" nonsense!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 27, 2009 Perhaps Prisons similar to the one occupied by the Count of Monte Christo?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Paul, we must have that chat sometime.... I'm sure I'll convince you to lose that liberal toga wearing "don't hang 'em" nonsense!! To which my response is Sally Clark & Stefan Kiszko to name but two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 To which my response is Sally Clark & Stefan Kiszko to name but two. I never said the world was perfect Paul, but how many murderers have been let out of their sentence to kill again and again (in some cases) what about the lives that would have been saved if the murderer had been topped after the first instance? Stefan Kiszko admitted the crime of killing Lesley Moleseed (albeit he admitted to manslaughter) regardless of whether he was pressurised or not. Sally Clark was convicted on circumstantial evidence and by the evidence of a so called "expert" witness. Neither of the two you have mentioned would have been executed in my ideal world because neither had compelling DNA evidence to link them to the crime other than the confession of a retarded suspect or circumstantial evidence. If the death penalty is to be brought back; and god lets hope it does, the guilty person would have been proven beyond absolute doubt not just reasonable doubt. Jamie Bulgers killers wern't convicted because they happened to admit it or because they were in Bootle at the time. The Yorkshire Ripper wasn't convicted on hearsay and circumstantial evidence. What I am advocating is that where there is absolute proof, they should be done away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted July 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Not really any such thing as "absolute" proof - unless the crime is committed on TV and witnessed by a couple of million folk: so just to be on the safe side - perhaps life should really mean life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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