Peter T Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 The comments about benefit scroungers are usually aimed at the professional scroungers, who play the system and have no intention of working. Their logic, is why should they when someone will pay them for not working. Commiserations on your situation, and good luck with the job hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Rifles... I understand what you are saying but you have contributed (and judging by your pseudonym have contributed more than most) However I have no issues with people like yourself who obviously want to work. It is the ones who think the "social" owe them a living. My company take a lot of forces personnel who are in the process of leaving the army, navy etc. and we give them the on site experience to compliment some of the classroom teaching they get from the courses they attend to help find work in civvy street. We have so far employed about 8 or so lads this way over the past 7 years or so; in fact one of our current engineers is ex army..... (he was probably better at shooting people though; but don't tell him!!) Good luck with the search.... what is it you did in the forces anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyMac Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 However I have no issues with people like yourself who obviously want to work. It is the ones who think the "social" owe them a living. So how many of the 11 people waiting in the Contact Centre were good unemployed, and how many were bad unemployed...? Rifles - good look with the job hunt, hope you find something soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted June 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 However I have no issues with people like yourself who obviously want to work. It is the ones who think the "social" owe them a living. So how many of the 11 people waiting in the Contact Centre were good unemployed, and how many were bad unemployed...? What does that bit matter Jimmy? I was merely pointing out that of all the various sections on the display board, there were 11 waiting for advice on housing benefit or council tax benefits and only one (me) waiting for advice on a service which means paying in rather than taking out. Good or bad unemployed never entered the post nor did the word "unemployed" which is obviously a phrase you have obviously added for effect. Do you have to be unemployed to claim those benefits? If you are trying to put forward an argument; then make it a good one. I didn't even notice what the people in there looked like let alone make a judgement on their character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rifles Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Rifles... I understand what you are saying but you have contributed (and judging by your pseudonym have contributed more than most) However I have no issues with people like yourself who obviously want to work. It is the ones who think the "social" owe them a living. My company take a lot of forces personnel who are in the process of leaving the army, navy etc. and we give them the on site experience to compliment some of the classroom teaching they get from the courses they attend to help find work in civvy street. We have so far employed about 8 or so lads this way over the past 7 years or so; in fact one of our current engineers is ex army..... (he was probably better at shooting people though; but don't tell him!!) Good luck with the search.... what is it you did in the forces anyway? I was part of 1st Bat. The Rifles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I've yet to hear one cogent arguement against the BNP policies - all I'm hearing from TV is chorus of name calling (Racists, Facists, Nazis etc), without any knowledge or questioning of their actual policies, let alone any debate on them. Then we get one of our MPs digging up the memory of her grandad, fighting his way to Berlin - how pathetic is that?! Whilst no doubt, some vetrans (particularly Communists/Socialists - from the Spanish Civil War) will have fought "against facism" as their motive; the reality was that the vast majority were conscripted to fight, saw it as their duty to fight "an enemy" that had attempted to invade this Country - and now we have a Government that is aiding and abetting this modern "invasion" by immigrants. No wonder these liberals don't want a debate with the BNP - they're terrified of losing it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyMac Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I was merely pointing out that of all the various sections on the display board, there were 11 waiting for advice on housing benefit or council tax benefits and only one (me) waiting for advice on a service which means paying in rather than taking out. I was teasing more than anything - hence the impish grin - but there was a serious point as well. Just because people are claiming housing benefit, doesn't mean that they're taking stuff out of the system because they *want* to, merely that the current state of the economy may be forcing their hand and that at this moment in time they *need* to - which is what the system is meant to be there for anyway If you want a more serious point. Size of the queue putting in versus the size of the queue taking out: you're comparing individuals with businesses. There are more individuals than there are businesses, otherwise there would be lots companies with severe recruiting difficulties, or a multitude of people with more than one job. So naturally the queue for housing benefit would be longer than that for business rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Interestingly the Government have created a tax and benefits system that means many people in employment are both paying tax and receiving benefits, they have as a matter of political policy created a "client state", in so much that come the next election they, the Labour Party, will tell those people on benefits that another Government will cut those benefits. Sorry to digress from the BNP discussion, on the subject of which I totally disagree with the name calling and violence towards them, indeed they should simply be referred to as the BNP without any further adjectives. In a democracy the place, the only place, to beat the BNP is in the ballot box. On Tuesday evening I was with leading members of Manchester's Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Indian community, the host, a very successful Bangladeshi businessman, chastised community leaders who were there for their failure to explain the importance of voting to their communities and not getting voters out and saying that their failure to do so resulted in the BNP taking a seat, and that they were in no position to complain if they were not happy with the democratic outcome, he was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Unfortunately, because the place has been empty for 5 months, the landlord has used 5 months of the 6 up already!! Bugger That's Labour for you, they changed the rules on commercial rates for empty properties, indeed some landlords are demolishing buildings rather than pay rates on empty buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 No wonder these liberals don't want a debate with the BNP - they're terrified of losing it! Pure crap again Obs Why don't you look how the BNP is set up and run, Mr Griffen is the Fuhrer of his party.He has sole responsibility for all decisions in the Party.No committee's no votes by members just him. The man is a convicted RACIST and HOLOCAUST denier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Again just more slander and name calling: try addressing their actual policies, and maybe we can have a rational debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rifles Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I agree, name calling and slander is not much of a debate. I could put up a list of at least 30 libdem criminals who have been arrested and prosecuted for such things as theft, fraud, rape and racism. As Obs said, it would be better to have a debate on actual policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 We did a Poll in the pub amongst the half dozen of us who set the world to rights on a regular basis. A Labour voter didn't vote because "they are a shower of sh!te." A Lib Dem didn't vote because "they are going nowhere." A Labour voter chose BNP because of "their immigration policy." A Conservative voter chose BNP "Ignoring their extreme views, it is a kick up the backside for the big three who are no longer representing me. A Lib Dem voted UKIP, "when I defected from Labour to Lib Dem I chose a bunch of wimps" I voted in my usual fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 just more slander and name calling Not at all they are FACTS, instead of trying to brush these off as slander why not check or sue me for slander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 It's up to Nick Griffin to sue you, if he's bothered; but the last time the liberal establishment got him into court on charges of racism, he was found not guilty! Meanwhile, we've had cases of Lab and LibDem MPs abusing the services of rent boys - he who is without sin, cast the first stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 So Obs are you saying Mr Griffin is not a Holocaust denier, and he has never received a sentence for racism. A yes or no answer will do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Frankly I'm not interested whether he is or isn't; though as a student of history, I would believe him to be misguided, he has a right to a view - what I'm more concerned with (and your determined to ignore) is their Party position on Europe and Immigration - which clearly resonates with the majority od public opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 If you were not interested Obs you would not have tried to defend him by saying its all slander. is their Party position on Europe and Immigration - which clearly resonates with the majority od public opinion Tell me again what % of the vote the BNP got, its a very odd use of the word majority:wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 As someone else pointed out to you in other posts: people vote for Parties for reasons other than the EU or Immigration, even though they are opposed to both - last survey revealed around 60% against EU and Immigration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Frankly I'm not interested whether he is or isn't; : Not lost the art of political speak obs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 Like riding a bike! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rifles Posted June 13, 2009 Report Share Posted June 13, 2009 I am pretty sure bnp are not the only party which has members which have been done for racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 Today's Independent have done an interview with Mr Griffin MEP, makes interesting reading: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/transcript-of-ithe-iosi-interview-with-nick-griffin-1704933.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 I am pretty sure bnp are not the only party which has members which have been done for racism. True, but what tends to happen is that they become ex members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted June 14, 2009 Report Share Posted June 14, 2009 'Interesting' wouldn't be the word I would use. He has practiced inserting his favourite sound bites so often that it is damn near paranoia. The man is a rambling nomark, a ranting scrote; he is a demented crusader gathering an ever increasing band of the blind, lame and simply stupid to his cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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