observer Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Given we don't have a statutory limit (say 4 years) on our Parliaments. it's left for the sitting PM to decide a time (within 5 years) best suited to their own Party. Obviously, Cameron is clamouring for an immediate election, because he thinks he can win it. Whilst the 4th June (this year) will provide an appropriate vehicle for the electorate to exact vengence on the Political Parties over the sordid activities of this morally bankrupt Parliament; the next General Election will be a time for a more in depth and serious considerations of the options - which will be: a clear choice between higher taxes and/or cuts in public services. Perhaps the better outcome will be a "hung" Parliament, rather than this "dung" Parliament?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 the next General Election will be a time for a more in depth and serious considerations of the options - which will be: a clear choice between higher taxes and/or cuts in public services. I understand that the Conservatives will say: "We will not cut services but we'll cut the cost of services" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 i have been advocating a hung parliament for ages. nobody can afford the rope though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 May be rope was too dear for Guy Fawkes & his men so they had to make do with gunpowder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 They may "say" that Paul, but their history proves different. It's going to be the frying pan or the fire due to the economic realities, so as usual folk will need to look at the least worse option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Time will tell as they say Observer, but it is interesting that there are private hospitals carrying out some work on behalf of the NHS at less cost and providing a much better service, and they are able to do that because they have done away with the bureaucratic baggage that the NHS suffers from, they simply focus on providing an efficient service. I know a number of people who have had NHS treatment at Spire Hospitals, great treatment, private rooms, decent food ....and no MRSA, C-diff, etc. etc. The police service is another one where the cost of bureaucracy creates a very expensive service. We have more and more police in effect doing less and less. Personally I happen to think there is lots to go at without the frontline services suffering. The tax and benefits system is another one, we tax people then get them to claim benefits...take them out of the tax system, they then don't need to claim benefits, costs are reduced and they are no worse off...in fact they might be better off. Just needs a bit of radical thinking, a focus on value for taxpayer's money and the will to see it through. PS We are now being burdened with extra Parliamentary costs because MPs are on the fiddle, increasing the bureaucratic process and therefore costs is not the solution, simplify the system so that it is virtually impossible to incorrectly submit wrong claims and sack and/or imprison those who then thieve from the public purse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 .....and you just know that somewhere down the line, the thieveing robbing, swindling honourless scum that are our MP's will get a nice whacking big pay rise to makeup for the loss of the trough Every one of them is as culpable as the next because even those who didn't swindle knew it was acceptable but never blew the whistle. Jones and Southworth have claimed excessively in my eyes; regardless of whatever nonsense they spout. I run my business with more employees and my costs are less and I put lads up in hotels all over the country. I run an office and I run vehicles and my overheads don't add up to one lot of their expense claims Thieves and swindlers every one of them. Come and knock on my door Warrington Labour Party and I guarantee you a mouthful you won't forget! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I doubt they'll be "knocking" on any doors for a while, unless the bring minders with them! Paul; I agree with your advocacy concerning waste and excess beaurocracy, but it never works out like that' the old dogmas will come to the fore and the less well off will bear the burden, while the rich escape. I mean for example: who originated unelected "Quangos"?! PS; Sid, With some MPs threatening suicide - hurry up and throw 'em that rope! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Seems a poll of people claims: 52% of folk want an immediate general election! The same poll reveals that over 40% of folk won't be voting, due to the sleaze revalations - and we wonder why the political class has such contempt for ordinary people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 People are well off these days. The state wet-nurses the un-employed and the rest are a lot of me-me apathists. They are NOT hungry enough to complain. Just a mirror image of life in the Community. Of course, there are exceptions, but they are not enough to make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Paul; I agree with your advocacy concerning waste and excess beaurocracy, but it never works out like that' the old dogmas will come to the fore and the less well off will bear the burden, while the rich escape. I'm ever the optimist Observer...but I sense you are right. Alas all this focus (important as it is in highlighting disgraceful and in some cases criminal behaviour) on MPs working the system/thieving has distracted attention from the dire economic problems that our country faces, best estimates suggest that the level of public sector debts and liabilities is in the region of ?2 trillion on top of which we have personal debts well in excess of ?1 trillion. The question I will be asking national politicians is, how are you going to sort it out....ignoring it and budening my children and their children.......is not the answer.....here are a few clues: what taxes will you raise, what savings will you make, how will you grow the economy, what are you going to do about state sector pensions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Perhaps the biggest concern, will be "youth" unemployment, as the evidence of recent history suggests that a`lack of routine provided by a work enviroment can leave a work-shy generation, without the necessary skills. It is therefore vital that we continue to reap taxes in order to retain public services, which in turn creates tax payers rather than tax consumers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Very valid point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 i have been advocating a hung parliament for ages. nobody can afford the rope though Just at the moment I sense that there are many who would freely donate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 on top of which we have personal debts well in excess of ?1 trillion. Blimey paul.... what have you and Mrs K been buying?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 As shown on here, voters have a very short memory, There are not many who remember how bad the tories were, My point is not to get at the Tories but, Whoever gets in is going to have to turn the screw on the voters, that is what the voters will remember, not the party that was in power when the mess was created. If an election was called tomorrow would any party actually want to win it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 If an election was called tomorrow would any party actually want to win it What a strange question. I would imagine the Lib Dims wouldn't want to be leaders as they are a rather quiet bunch with no real direction who tend to live off the backs of others ... or am I thinking of parasites. Might have it wrong there sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt Kije Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 No problem with you throwing stones as long as I can throw back, which way will you be voting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 No probs Lt K To be honest I've still not decided who I'm voting for but I won't be voting for Lib Dem, Labour or BNP .... probably not Conservatives either .. and I can't suss out the others Hence my confusion Any suggestions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 No probs Lt K To be honest I've still not decided who I'm voting for but I won't be voting for Lib Dem, Labour or BNP .... probably not Conservatives either .. and I can't suss out the others Hence my confusion Any suggestions In that case Dis, I'd stay at home, have a whiskey and watch the election on the BBC!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 29, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Actually - "not voting" will increase the chances of the minor Parties! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Exactly.... get out and vote or remember.... its your fault if the Liberals get in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Don't worry Baz they won't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 and I can't suss out the others You are not alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Seems, according to the latest poll Labour are in third place! Cons 30%: UKIP 18%: Lab 16%: Lib 12%: wonder where the other 24% are?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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