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Seems with a squeeze on the rich by NuLab; we now have a clear choice between Tory and Labour - if your rich you vote Tory, if your not rich you vote Labour - makes the choice a lot easier. :wink:

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Neither do I but I will.

 

I cannot bring myself to vote for a Scotsman. He should bugger off back to his own parliament :lol:

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Bit like the peasant, when refusing to join the Roundheads; "well he is King after all" - (touches forelock, bends the knee). :wink: Top rate earners, constitute only 1% of the population, trouble is, most plebs believe they can become part of that 1%, as they also believe they can win the lottery. :roll: Alas, the damage is done; and it's going to be cuts and/or more taxation - only question is, cuts to, and taxes from whom? :shock:

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Seems with a squeeze on the rich by NuLab; we now have a clear choice between Tory and Labour - if your rich you vote Tory, if your not rich you vote Labour - makes the choice a lot easier. :wink:

 

What about the billionaire and Labour supporter, Lord Sainsbury....or indeed his relative the MP for St Helens...Mr Woodward. :wink:

 

It is probably true that many of the wealthy vote Tory, but they are a very small proportion of those who do, most are on average incomes. :wink::)

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Hence their delusioned state: the stark reality facing the electorate is 10 -20 years of pain; cuts in services and/or increasing taxes; the only question remaining is: which Party will cause least pain to you as an individual. :shock::cry:

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At least the Tories have previous experience of cleaning up Labour messes. I doubt the Lib-Dems could organise the proverbial. They certainly cannot run local government. :roll:

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.... and we've all experienced what a Tory "clean up" entails. :roll: As for the LibDems, Vince Cable seems to be the only guy in Parliament with the slightest idea of of competant and fair financial management, and locally they don't seem to have dropped any major clangers; mind you, they've no astute opposition and no press vendetta! :wink:

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The government is spending like there's no tomorrow because they know that, for them at least, there is no tomorrow. It's the unfortunate winners of the next election who are going to have to clear up the mess (and take on the reputation of evil cutters of public services and creators of unemployment). Cynical! 8)8)

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No just factually correct Asperity. :wink:

 

Historically, Labour always create a financial mess.....(although this time it's a disaster).....and the Tories sort it out. I understand from reliable sources that in 1997 when Mr Brown was the Chancellor he just couldn't believe what a good economy he had inherited...alas I guess his thank you letter got lost in the post. Don't think Chancellor Osborne will be sending a thank you letter...more like an arrest warrant. :wink:

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:?:? FAINTS!!! :?:?:lol::lol:

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Not quite true Paul - the 45 Atlee Labour Government had to bring us through a far bigger mess, following WW2, when folk new the meaning of "austerity"; but left us a legacy of a fairer society, with such lasting legacies as the NHS. :shock: Unfortunately, the Tory cult of "the individual" eventually took hold as life improved and greed returned. :roll:

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Obs,

 

the one problem with the "fairer society" is you get the ones who plan for the future end up getting means tested and paying for the ones who haven't

 

The Government definition of "being fair" only applies one way. It isn't greedy to save and plan for your retirement; but neither is it fair when the state means test you and take it all away to pay for someone who couldn't be bothered to save.

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It's greed that has led us into the mess we are currently in - it's no coincidence that we now have the widest wealth gap since Victorian times. :shock: Such are the inevitable results of a me,me; I want it, and I want it now society, with folk believing in the "American dream", when the reality is more like winning the lottery. :roll:

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You mean like Lakshmi Mittal, down from ?17 billion to ?10 billion? I doubt he'll go hungry, but the problem is that people he might have employed, but won't now he's not as flush, possibly will. The thing about rich people is that, for the most part, they don't sit there counting their money, they use it to make more money by setting up companies which employ people. Now taxing rich people may seem like a good idea from a purely socialist perspective but doesn't really make good economic sense. Do you think that the government is going to redistribute this wealth amongst the poor and needy? Don't be daft, they're going to waste it as usual. Meantime the rich just carry on living well but not employing as many people as they used to (I don't think we'll have all the bedrooms redecorated this year darling, and do we really need a chauffeur? As for the second maid, well she is rather surplus to requirements don't you think?) In a perfect world everyone would have everything they wanted and no-one would be better off than anyone else. But we don't have a perfect world and, human nature being what it is, we never will have. There will always be those who set out to better themselves and those who prefer to sit at home watching daytime TV and living off the efforts of others. :roll::wink:

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t's greed that has led us into the mess we are currently in - it's no coincidence that we now have the widest wealth gap since Victorian times. Such are the inevitable results of a me,me; I want it, and I want it now society, with folk believing in the "American dream", when the reality is more like winning the lottery.

 

Just when I think there is clear blue water between us, you come out with a dam good post :wink:

 

I could not agree more 8)8):D:wink:

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:lol: doffs cap, bends his knee and tugs his forlock! :wink: The vast majority of their losses have been lossed on stocks and shares, which is the deposit of money in order to make more money (for themselves). :shock: You don't believe for one second, that these people have some altrustic agenda to benefit the poor - the poor are poor cos they are rich - it's a purely relative fact. :twisted: And despite the failings and incompetance of Governments, they are elected and supposedly accountable, and better placed to redistribute wealth (aside from to themselves) to the wider population. :wink:

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