Bill Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Last year, the people in Paddington actively campaigned for a 20mph limit on the narrow residential roads but the planners decided that a 30mph limit was better but with bloody bumps everywhere. Now the same planner say THEY want to drop the limit to 20mph, but NOT on residential back-roads as people requested but on A roads and commuter routes that form the main arteries of our transport infrastructure. (See Tuesdays news page) For the life of me I can?t understand the rational for choosing such roads unless the aim is simply to frustrate the motorist. Forcing cars to drive very slowly on a long straight road where there?s no parking allowed then letting them speed up in the congested residential areas just doesn?t make sense! Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I think we are all coming to the conclusion that the Warrington traffic and roads department is filled with the most clueless balloons in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Just think of the money they will rake in when they 'catch' people doing 30 in a 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Isn't that what it's all in aid of?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Now the same planner say THEY want to drop the limit to 20mph, but NOT on residential back-roads as people requested but on A roads and commuter routes that form the main arteries of our transport infrastructure. (See Tuesdays news page) Looking at the literature that I have been sent, the only arterial road that I can see being affected is the A50 Long Lane/Orford Green. For further information on the scheme you can email the scheme's engineer, Joel Logue on jlogue@warrington.gov.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Isn't that what it's all in aid of?! I thought all of the ?60 fine went to central government, so no direct financial gain for WBC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 IF they are incapable of getting people to adhere to speed limits now, HOW will they achieve anything by dropping to 20mph? These people obviously shouldn't be employed inventing things to put on a blank sheet of paper. They are NOT qualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 they need a 20mph speed limit on Long Lane..... but only at school times. This would be handy so that the stupid kids that come out of the high school down there can walk (amble) across the road without looking; safe in the knowledge that if a car hits them it shouldn't kill them. I am sure the kids at that place have absolutely no sense whatsoever as I don't recall seeing one ever use the pedestrian lights; prefering instead to chance running across the road Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 The full story can be seen at http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/articles/4572/1/Roads-chosen-for-20mph-limit-trial/Page1.html Quite a few comments under the story as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Have the council got a link, Gary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 apparently the 18 month trial is to reduce accidents to children and cyclists. It is based on statistics of accidents from 2007 and backwards. When the trial finishes the statistics will be compared, unfortunately it could be that any ststistics for the trial period will not be available as they are 2 years behind in the official collection. I would like to know the cost and who is sponsoring this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Have the council got a link, Gary? Do you mean - will the council be aware of what people are saying? If that is what you mean I am fairly confident they will be aware of the feedback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 I would like to know the cost and who is sponsoring this project. I seem to recall that the project is costing ?80,000, WBC via the Warrington Road Safety Partnership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P J Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 apparently the 18 month trial is to reduce accidents to children I would like to know the cost and who is sponsoring this project. if it is sponsored they can put me down for a couple of quid, seems like a worthy cause Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disgusted Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Now the same planner say THEY want to drop the limit to 20mph, but NOT on residential back-roads as people requested but on A roads and commuter routes that form the main arteries of our transport infrastructure. (See Tuesdays news page) Looking at the literature that I have been sent, the only arterial road that I can see being affected is the A50 Long Lane/Orford Green. For further information on the scheme you can email the scheme's engineer, Joel Logue on jlogue@warrington.gov.uk Aha, thje same guy resposible foir the now abandoned Callands speed bumps. I think I see a pattern here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Have the council got a link, Gary? Not yet Peter, guess the following will get updated to include 20mph project in due course. http://www.warrington.gov.uk/transportandstreets/roadsafety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 BTW does this mean they can now remove all the speed humps?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 If they think that I am going to drive as fast as 20mph, they can think again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 apparently the 18 month trial is to reduce accidents to children I would like to know the cost and who is sponsoring this project. if it is sponsored they can put me down for a couple of quid, seems like a worthy cause Albeit, a bumpy one. Perhaps the theory is, given enough chances, he will eventually get it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Perhaps we may as well all drive round in those mobility scooters?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 this is one of the worst implemented backhanded costly changes to Warrington roads that I have suffered. Signs are still covered, there are random small 20 signs stuck anywhere on lampposts and other immobile objects and there are multiple speed changes from 30 to20 to 30 to 40 within 20 metres of each other. Roads with schools are not included yet roads with humps are. What a shambles, but no more than I have come to expect from incompetents employed by WBC. Perhaps get rid of them and reduce council tax too? Lets see some action from our elected councillors to stop this waste of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 It?s not only costly it?s bloody bonkers! Being forced to drive at 20mph down a main A road then being told it?s ok to speed up if you turn into a housing estate defies all logic. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Thought you might be interested in the following: Email sent to cycle, walking and road danger reduction campaign groups ? 2nd Feb 2009 One small step for mankind - one huge step for Warrington Hi Well today Warrington Borough Council introduced its Experimental Traffic Order setting a 20 mph speed limit on 147 roads in the Borough. It may not have been Phase One of a borough-wide 20 mph default, and both Warrington Cycle Campaign and 20?s Plenty For Us are highly critical of the nature of the pilots and how well they model the full range of roads in Warrington, but it is a huge commitment to lower speeds. The three areas comprise the Town Centre, about 10 roads in Great Sankey and about 80 roads in the Orford area in the North East of the town. The initiative has undoubtedly come about from 5 years of campaigning by Warrington Cycle Campaign and 20?s Plenty For Us. It has involved numerous meetings, campaigns and petitions. Warrington was one of the ?new towns? of the 80?s and for years has suffered the blight of feeder roads designed for vehicle throughput rather than community amenity. Surely if the ?tide can be turned? in Warrington then it can be turned in town halls throughout the land. As campaigners we know that we have a long way to go in order to turn this 147 streets into the 2,000 or so needed to cover every community in Warrington. We are looking for the ?pilots? to be abandoned in favour of permanent and phased implementation across every residential street. There will be many more meetings, persuasions, press releases and e-mails, but we are confident that eventually Warrington will become a more civilised place through the borough-wide adoption of 20 mph. Our best regards Keep up the campaigning. Rod King 20?s Plenty For Us Chris Mayes Warrington Cycle Campaign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahl Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Interesting note from the cycle king. Why not aim for 20 mph everywhere? The use of 20mph in Warrington is completely bonkers. The place would become a nogo for traffic and end up as a discredite4d town like Skelmersdale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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