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But where should it be located? :? Perhaps areas could bid for it, if it will lower their quality of life index and thus their Council Tax?! :roll::wink:

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One rumour suggests somewhere near Fiddler's Ferry.

 

But, wherever, I can see it being up and running in time for the council to meet their stated aim of starting to generate power from it next year.

 

Talk about optimism!

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This issue confuses me. (easily done). I thought that the blue bin was supposed to be the answer to everything. Now at great cost to add to the already debt-laden council, they are going to spend another fortune. Is it really necessary???? :?:shock:

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Here we go again. How stupid does the council think the people of Warrington are? :evil:

 

Councilor Litton?s claim that 65.71 % of people are in favor of incineration implies that some form of accurate survey has taken place but I wonder? Could this be one of those council statistics like 95% of people are in favor of speed bumps?

 

Remember the Waste Watch consultation fiasco where 95% thought it a good idea to import rubbish from other towns? My closing comment on that thread back then was that it wouldn?t surprise me in the least to see statistics being quoted at a later date based on an extremely small unrepresentative sample of possibly invites guests.

 

Back then, the direct question ?Do you favor incineration?? was never asked in fact the word incineration was never mentioned at all. What was asked was ?Do you favor recovering energy from waste?? and that?s a completely different question.

 

It would be interesting to see where these figures quoted to two decimal places came from because call me Mr Paranoid but I doubt the majority of people in this town favor incineration unless dealing with rats. :lol:

 

Bill :)

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Good question and the answer to that will no doubt be other peoples waste because despite what Councillor Litton?s saying now not too long ago he said?

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?It could also be used to burn industrial waste from Warrington businesses and small amounts of waste from other local authorities.?

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This will be backed up by the same accurate ?survey? that shows 93.75% in favour of importing rubbish from other towns. (14 out of 16 people with 1 undecided :lol: )

 

And of course all the "Consultation" took place before we had our blue bin recycling!

 

It?s all one big con trick if you ask me.

 

Bill :)

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Good question Peter.....

 

Bill mentions Cllr Littons comment about burning Industrial Business Waste. But what sort of Industries?

 

The majority of waste can be recycled in one way or another (providing it is not put in your black bin of course) there's also stuff like medical waste, certain plastics blah blah blah.

 

So what will it be? They must have discussed the finer details prior to approving it. :roll:

 

The bit that concerns me is that across the country we are all happily (well most if us) seperating our recyclable stuff now to do our bit and yet news reports are saying due to rising costs and other factors it is all being stored while someone figures out what to do with it all...... burn it maybe :shock:

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Saw on Granada Reports that as Merseside have gone over their landfill quota, to get around the Government penalty they buy "credits" from "a neighbouring authority" (hmmm.. wonder who that could be) to incinerate their waste.

 

So.. just how much money do WBC make off merseyside (and let's face it GM Waste) because it's their wagons we always see in town.

 

No wonder the council is so keen on these incinerators :roll:

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We had a very low quote from a company called 'Mersey Waste' (or very similar but the word 'Mersey' was in it :? ) to remove our business waste. They were a lot cheeper that everyone we asked but unfortunately we couldn't move to them cos we apparently had a rolling contract with our existing waste remover :roll:

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I'm in favour of burning waste to produce power. From what I've seen about modern incinerators they are very efficient and clean and would be burning the paper and plastic waste that, at the moment, we are "recycling" (i.e. sending to China). There was an incinerator plant in Birkenhead 20 odd years ago that got rid of a lot of the garbage but it was shut down because of the worries over dioxins. But apparently these worries (as most worries these days are) were overblown out of all proportion. With careful managent and if we ignore the scaremongering "GREENS" we can benefit from a properly run incinerator. Bring it on I say! :):)

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Whatever is done, some waste will remain - which can either be placed in landfill or can be incinerated, thus providing usefull energy a bi-product. :roll::wink:

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So are you saying that all the recyclable waste we put in our blue bins should be burnt. If it's burnt here in Warrington then should we as residents receive all the so called 'power' it creates :wink:

 

How much power would actually be created if all Warrington's recyclable waste was burnt any idea ?

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Also I have posted before that, in this country, we excavate from quarries a darn sight more than we landfill. We are being sold down the river, yet again, by the corrupt EUSSR. WAKE UP BRITAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D:D:D:D

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I was trying to be brief Diz: we can have all the different coloured bins for which some forms of re-cycling are currently viable; but the market for paper waste for example has just plumeted because the Chinese don't need as much packaging cos they're not exporting as much. :? Some such as food waste can be used to produce bio-gas. :shock: Some such as fridges requires specialist de-gassing, which we arn't up to speed on yet. :roll: And the remainder, such as IT goods can either continue to go to China and Africa to be cannibalised and then burnt on tips OR dumped into landfill OR incinerated in local incinerators that can contribute power to the grid. :wink:

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Bloke in Latchford makes a good living taking the prescious metals out of IT goods - in fact he needs to expand his premises because he's doing so well, even in the midst of a recession.

 

All for incineration provided there is suitable oversight by appropriately qualified peeps and not the reactionary scaremongering light-greenies who are really only bothered about potential impact on their house value :roll:

 

Given the games that Ukrain and Russia are engaged in about gas supply, maybe we ought to get on board with in-borough power generations schemes as fast as possible :shock:

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I?m not against the principle of incineration especially if it can recover usable energy, but what I DO object to is the devious methods being used to try to convince the public into believing it?s just what they asked for. The public should be informed rather than coned about such plans.

 

By all accounts, the main recovery of energy comes in the form of heat and steam, which can be used for local heating, but this creates a problem because people don?t want to live anywhere near such a plant and we have no infrastructure to deal with heat transfer. Other than that it can be used to generate some electricity but unless the plant is of significant size, then the economics go out the window.

 

It?s also worth noting that there are cases pending in the European Court of Justice where classification of waste disposal plants with energy recovery must still be classed as waste incinerators and not energy recovery plants. The expression ?call a spade a spade? springs to mind.

 

Bill :)

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Bill, can you provide an example of the "devious methods" that promoters of such schemes use to "cone" members of the public :?: I'm not doubting for an instant that there is some "spin" attached to such proposals but that should not come as a surprise.

 

I don't know too much about the actual mechanics involved in delivering a medium-sized incinerator but I would have thought that the steam would be used to drive a turbine which would generate electricity for transmission directly into the grid? I didn't think that the steam would be piped anywhere (like they do in the States).

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