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Well Baz, as you've admitted living with two "ash trays", perhaps you need to escape to an empoty pub?! :wink::lol:

 

Are the pubs empty because of the smoking ban? I know that smokers health and fitness, especially their lungs, can be very poor but most pubs have bent over backwards to provide suitable smoking areas for them but it seems that to walk 10 yards to feed their addiction is too much to ask.

 

The worst smokers are those who light up in their cars when children are in there with them. Observer, you have used the comparison between the effects of passive smoking and passive drinking but even you can't possibly imagine supporting a parent swigging alcohol and then forcing some down a baby's throat which is what they do with their smoking. It is simply indefensible.

 

I would not let anybody who was smoking come anywhere near my children regardless how much it may hurt their feelings and I don't really like them coming too close to me either.

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Are the pubs empty because of the smoking ban

 

Yes, along with the ever rising price of a pint. I have to chuckle at your suitable smoking areas............they are outside the bloody pubs.

 

Most pubs and clubs planned adequate provision for both smokers and non smokers thinking that sensible legislation would be based on a common sense approach. How naive was that?

The total ban has destroyed most of the traditional pubs and in particular the clubs that catered for the older generation. Labour Clubs, Legions and the like have seen takings fall dramatically and are closing at a drastic rate. The 'pint and a fag' old chaps are the main victims of the Stalinesque ban.

 

BTW, I am not a smoker.

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All you non smokers.....ask yourselves this, you don't have to answer here, just ask yourselves.

 

What would you ban next?

 

Obviously not something that you enjoy but what?

 

It can't be pubs, you've virtually done that, yer can't get a decent pint without a humourless, half shandy hugging, liberal pontificating about how good the smoking ban is and how good the air is........until, you realise the liberal is a vegetarian.....then it hits..veggies and their ilk smell.

 

Lets ban vegetarians.

 

They do smell.

 

They are like smokers.

 

They don't try to hide their farts.

 

Lets get together and ban em.

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The feelings mutual PJ; I wouldn't want to be within 10 yards of you or your kids either, as the idea of "going out for a drink" is to relax and socialise in like minded company, not jumping up and down to go outside into the freezing cold every 5 mins for a fag: hence the request for seperate smoking/non-smoking pubs/clubs. :roll: But no; compromise doesn't appear to be in the vocabulary of the health facist, who seems to yearn for some kind of illusive immortality - which is a surprise they wish to prolong such boring existences. :roll: As has been said - what next - I notice they're now homing in on booze. :shock: First they came for the smokers - and I did nothing; then they came for the drinkers - and I did nothing etc etc. :roll::wink:

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All you non smokers.....ask yourselves this, you don't have to answer here, just ask yourselves.

 

What would you ban next?

 

Obviously not something that you enjoy but what?

 

It can't be pubs, you've virtually done that, yer can't get a decent pint without a humourless, half shandy hugging, liberal pontificating about how good the smoking ban is and how good the air is........until, you realise the liberal is a vegetarian.....then it hits..veggies and their ilk smell.

 

Lets ban vegetarians.

 

They do smell.

 

They are like smokers.

 

They don't try to hide their farts.

 

Lets get together and ban em.

 

I think stupid and pathetic old man might be more the name. Smoking is a disgusting filthy stinking habit. I did smoke and I smoked a lot for a long time and now I don't. I smell nice, I eat lots of meat and I still go to the pub. The big difference is I have lots of money to pay the pub prices and don't moan about them

 

Grow up and do yourself a favour and stop trying to defend something that will ultimately kill you. It is only the addiction talking..... it is the junkie in you that has taken over your common sense that allows you to defend the indefensible as has been said.

 

Vegetarians do not try to shove carrots down my throat

Drinkers do not tip beer down my throat

You and your smoking buddies used to make me smell like an ashtray when I went to the pub. Personally I would make the smoking areas out of wet cardbaord and let you all suffer like non smokers have done for decades!

 

Thank You

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The feelings mutual PJ; I wouldn't want to be within 10 yards of you or your kids either, as the idea of "going out for a drink" is to relax and socialise in like minded company, not jumping up and down to go outside into the freezing cold every 5 mins for a fag: hence the request for seperate smoking/non-smoking pubs/clubs. :roll: But no; compromise doesn't appear to be in the vocabulary of the health facist, who seems to yearn for some kind of illusive immortality - which is a surprise they wish to prolong such boring existences. :roll: As has been said - what next - I notice they're now homing in on booze. :shock: First they came for the smokers - and I did nothing; then they came for the drinkers - and I did nothing etc etc. :roll::wink:

 

Even when I used to smoke between 40 and 60 a day I never had a fag every 5 minutes. If you do need a fag every 5 minutes, why keep getting up and going outside? Just stay out there so the poor non smokers don't have to put up with the stench of smoke everytime you come back in and sit down next to them?

 

I personally do not yearn immortality, I yearn an environment that does not subject me to the disgusting stench of stale fags.......

 

And no they are not "homing in on booze" they are merely telling you that to drink to excess is dangerous....... if they were homing in on drinkers, the first target would be the cheap booze at ASDA et al.

 

Take a look at yourself..... take off the tee shirt you have been wearing all day, stick it in a bag and tie it up. Then go and have a long hot shower and relax all night without a fag. Get up the next day and stay off the fags for the whole day. Have another shower before you go to bed.... wake up the next morning; open the bag containing your tee shirt and take a long sniff.

 

You wont want another fag!!

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You and your smoking buddies used to make me smell like an ashtray when I went to the pub. Personally I would make the smoking areas out of wet cardbaord and let you all suffer like non smokers have done for decades!

 

 

As a former smoker aren't you as guilty of this as any of the rest of us???

 

Sack cloth and ashes next time you go to the pub, is it?

 

Perhaps your violently strong objection to the smell of cigarettes is actually the junkie in you talking, they do say that there's no such thing as an ex-smoker - just someone who doesn't do it at the moment.

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I find your obsession with "smell" rather strange Baz; given your admission to be living and presumably sleeping with a smoker! :wink: Why do some folk wish to impose THEIR will on everyone else, seperate pubs = everyone's happy. :wink:

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As a former smoker; yes I am as guilty as anyone for inflicting it on people up until I gave up a few years ago.

 

Obs, my obsession with smell is because it is absolutely disgusting and you as a smoker will not realise it; I didn't when I smoked and no amount of mints and aftershave make it go away. Yes, I do live/sleep with a smoker but that is just the price I pay for love and marriage; doesn't mean I have to continue to put up with it outside my own home.

 

If you want to smoke, you do it at home. Why try and segregate it just so you can continue contaminating the air we breathe? Segregation does smack of something very sinister; as past experiences have shown, a bit of a bus shelter outside keeps you dry so whats the problem?

 

Some pubs I have seen such as the Seven Woods and another one in Lymm that I can't remember, have great "outdoor" areas. The one in Lymm even has a bar and better heating than my mates wife can conjure up in her living room! Some pubs make the effort, some don't Go to a pub that does and it will hardly affect you

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Observer as a smoker you object to having to go outside to smoke but you find it acceptable to expect non smokers to have to put up with you by products. That is unless you plan to discriminate against non smokers when employing staff for these smoking pubs. Can you not accept the fact that most people wanted this ban when it was introduced and that included some smokers too. When you need to use the toilet you dont do it on the floor of the pub as that would be unpleasant, unhygienic,disgusting to others and pretty soon the place would reek. Yet you find it acceptible to stink up the place with your addiction to nicotine and sod everyone else. Is it coincidence that this subject has reared its ugly head just as the winter cold has set in? For years you and your kind have made going to the pub unpleasant for non smokers and having to go outside is perhaps getting just a little of your own medicine. Why, when you made the comparison in the first place, do you now avoid my points regarding passive drinking being a nonsense, is it because even you can't justify it?

Your right you will not be welcome near me or my children whilst indulging yourself at the expense of others and as for the"socialise in like minded company" I feel sorry for you as not only will you smell and be harming yourself at great expense you will probably be very lonely.

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Observer as a smoker you object to having to go outside to smoke but you find it acceptable to expect non smokers to have to put up with you by products.

 

No. Hence the suggestion for allowing designated smoking pubs, non-smokers would be present by choice. The proportion of smoking versus non-smoking pubs in any area would then be driven by the local market.

 

unless you plan to discriminate against non smokers when employing staff for these smoking pubs.

 

Exactly what I proposed earlier. It's not illegal, apparently, to discriminate against a smoker in the employment market - so it can't be illegal to discriminate in favour of one.

 

When you need to use the toilet you dont do it on the floor of the pub

 

Most pubs at least have the toilets indoors these days.

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Most pubs at least have the toilets indoors these days.

 

But seperate from the main room which was my point Pete.

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They always say that reformed smokers are the worst. :roll:

WHY should non-smokers inflict their views on how people should leave their lives?

 

Life should be about choice.

As mentioned previously,separate areas could be available "indoors".

I wonder what the stats are supporting the argument that people don't go to pubs because of smokers?

 

As an ex-smoker, I was quite happy having a choice.

Let's face it, smoking has been going on for many, many years.

Yet you never hear these righteous people taking to the streets over the crime and politics that is wrecking our lives. :shock:

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Irrespective of argument between the arrogant non smokers and the defensive smokers it is a fact that the smoking ban has made a disastrous difference to some establishments.

Two examples of before and after in my local club; Sunday Lunchtime, before the ban 30-40 playing snooker, darts, dominoes and cards; last week 3 people. Thursday night Bingo, before the ban 80 - 100 players, last week 14. A fair proportion are smoking pensioners who have had their social lives curtailed by the mismanaged legislation.

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Irrespective of argument between the arrogant non smokers and the defensive smokers it is a fact that the smoking ban has made a disastrous difference to some establishments.

Two examples of before and after in my local club; Sunday Lunchtime, before the ban 30-40 playing snooker, darts, dominoes and cards; last week 3 people. Thursday night Bingo, before the ban 80 - 100 players, last week 14. A fair proportion are smoking pensioners who have had their social lives curtailed by the mismanaged legislation.

 

So it has reduced the evils of gambling too, result :D

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Can't see the arguement of the anti-smoking facists on here; NO ONE is asking them to go anywhere near to a suggested smoking pub/club - so what's the problem? :roll: Could it be the fact that they (smoking pubs) would attract more custom, leaving the facists in a half empty non-smoking facility, to ponder on some other way to disrupt folk's enjoyment. :roll: My experience has been, when (well before this legislation); a designated smoking area (rest room) had to be set up at work - it finished up being used by 90% of staff (incl non-smokers) - wonder why?! :wink: I mean what's their problem; smokers are paying a right load of tax and will die early, thus saving them (the facists) a right load of tax - so it's win win, so why whine whine?! :wink:

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The act to ban smoking in ALL public places was supported by a huge majority of the population and therefore quite democratic and certainly not Fascist which would be to go against the will of the people and impose smoking on people who do not wish to smoke. What about cinemas, do want separate Football and rugby stadia, where would you draw the line. All our sports stars would they have to be smokers too? Why don't we build you your own libraries, churches or perhaps we could have smoking only Council estates.What if there was only one pub in your local area and it was designated a smoking establishment? would non smokers then be forced to endure a filthy environment to appease addicts who cant be bothered to nip out for a fix? Would all staffing of said public places have to be smokers only? The reasons behind the ban a good and proper and you whinging about having to go outside to have a fag is laughable, enjoy the fresh air whilst your out there. If, as you suggest, only the smoking pubs were profitable how long would breweries keep a pub non smoking and then you smokers could once again make us ill or we could be forced not go to the pub at all, now that is fascism.

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If, as you contend, the vast majority of the population were in favour of the smoking ban (and I for one don't remember being asked to vote on it), then allowing pubs and other establishments to elect to permit smoking would result in very few places taking this option. You can't have it both ways, anti-smoking is either the majority view and pubs would stay smoke free, or you're actually in the minority being bothered by it and are trying to impose a minority opinion on the population as a whole. Have the courage of your convictions, give pubs the choice and market forces would ensure that the true situation becomes reality.

 

The assumption you seem to be making is to lump all non-smokers into the anti-smoker camp. Take a close look at the smoking area in almost any pub with a decent one and you will see how far off the mark you are. You will almost certainly find as many non-smokers out there socialising with their friends as you will find smokers having a cigarette.

 

If we are to ban any activity which has a detrimental impact on others but is only practiced by a minority then where do we stop? Drinking? Driving? Eating junk food? Adventurous sports? Shopping? Religion?

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Inky Pete,

 

Fact - the majority of people were in support of a smoking ban( about 8 out of 10) see here

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6225582.stm

or here

http://www.caterersearch.com/Articles/2007/06/21/314469/support-for-smoking-ban-rises.html

 

Fact - Since the ban over 400,000 people have given up smoking which means that 40,000 fewer people will die as a result of smoking related deseases. over 2 billion less cigarettes have been bought since the ban.

 

Fact - the law is part of the Health and Safety legislation to protect the health of workers. As Health and Safety is not optional the breweries cannot have smoking pubs.

 

You ignore my points regarding the problems which can occur with a partial ban. It just would not work fairly and therefore should not be allowed.

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Your comments just go to show how easily mis-represented statistics are. The question asked in that survey included smoking in restaurants, shops, offices, and other workplaces - something the majority of smokers support the ban on. It rightly reports "that people feel particularly strongly about banning smoking in restaurants and around children" - not relevant to our current discussion about pubs.

 

It was a ridiculously small sample of only 1,200 over 16's and gives no details about how they were selected.

 

It came to the conclusion that 70% of smokers would quit - they haven't.

 

It claimed that 15% of adults would go to a pub more often - they haven't.

 

400,000 people may or may not have given up since the ban started, I suspect that represents the number who've had a go at giving up - different thing all together. If not, you have even less to fear from a partial relaxation of the ban because there are obviously only me and obs left smoking and no licencee would change their current policy just for us!

 

This is the ban as it was originally proposed:-

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4110706.stm

 

the more draconian measures were only brought into the legislation AFTER the public consultation phase.

 

Exceptions to the ban already exist, including our own MP's bars, prisons, oil rigs(!!!), long stay residential care homes, hospices, and psychiatric hospitals - so it's just plain ridiculous to say that others couldn't be made.

 

And what could be fairer than allowing a business owner, even if he is the only licencee in a village, to target his business at whatever market segment he chooses. If he gets it wrong he'll go bust, and someone else can learn from his mistake.

 

Sounds to me like you know that you anti-smokers are actually in a small minority and are therefore afraid to even allow any pilot studies.

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The smoking ban as applied in most other countries in the world is here to stay .................... get use to it :D or do as they are doing in Ireland - start taking snuff :D

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so because you cannot be bothered to go outside for your fix you would rather everyone who is in the pub suffer your filthy harmful habit. If you can watch a 2 hour movie or fly for 3 or 4 hours without a fag why not go without a smoke at the boozer if going outside to do itis so bad. You have not been banned from smoking you have simply been told where it is unacceptable for you to light up and provisions have been made for you. Is it so bad, if so pack it in

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The smoking ban as applied in most other countries in the world is here to stay .................... get use to it :D or do as they are doing in Ireland - start taking snuff :D

 

were going to have to stop this agreeing palarvour , it can't be healthy. :D

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