Peter T Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Sadly, whilst they say the right things and have improved their public image a bit/lot?, they are still the same underneath. UKIP say the right things as well, but are they likely to challenge the Triplets who all have the same policies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted November 20, 2008 Report Share Posted November 20, 2008 Can't the same be said for all parties though Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 There is actually quite a few of their policies that would have popular appeal, but the general appeal to folk tends to be their appearance of putting Britain and the British interest FIRST and exiting the EU. NuLab are absolutely panicked by their increased support in core Labour areas, hence this latest leak. The irony is, that the policy that raises shouts of racism, is one they share with the main three Parties; IE. Cultural diversity or seperate development; thus leading to the compartmentilsation of society into ethnic or religious groupings - this I can't support, as it's the quickest route to social anarchy - the policy we should have is - ONE Nation, ONE Culture, ONE Society; whether your pink, blue, green, black, white, Muslim, Christian or Jew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 At last!! Someone who is willing to stand up for all us green people!! hurrahhh!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrdy Posted November 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Oi,what about the blue people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 All in the same boat ! Trouble is, they keep over-loading it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy old man Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Why does nobody ask..........."Why are the BNP popular" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 But are they popular Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy old man Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Good point, Maybe the mainstream party's should come up with ideas and policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy old man Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Then they can have a list of members published online, maybe you would like to start the ball rolling Paul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Well I can confirm that I am a paid up member of the Conservative Party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Maybe the mainstream party's should come up with ideas and policies. Hey steady on, that's a bit radical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Oi,what about the blue people. Aren't they the Vulcans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 From Earlstown?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 One of the names on the list definitely can't make his mind up:- Ex Conservative councillor, Ex Lib-Dem councillor, Ex Chairman local Green party & UKIP member. He also gets divine inspiration....he is a vicar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy old man Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 It is radical Paul,..........we need people that have ideas. Stand back for a moment and look at what dogma has delivered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Suggest you need folk with ideas, but also the conviction to pursue them against "the flow"; rather than just keep in the club and feather one's own nest - trouble is; the voters can't see it. BNP support is a cry of desperation, in a pit of liberal corruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Just wondering if BNP activists use the NHS, and if they do, do they decline to be treated by staff who they think have no place in the UK. My guess is that they accept the treatment. Interesting to note that it was Enoch Powell, who as a Health Minister, recruited medical staff for the NHS from the West Indies. I understand that now the majority of people deemed to be of an ethnic minority origin, were actually born in the UK and therefore British. So I would ask the question of those political parties and people who advocate kicking them out of the UK, where would you send them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hazel Blears has written a good article for today's Guardian, a section of which I have cut and pasted below: Blears writes: "We must recognise that where the BNP wins votes, it is often a result of local political failure." She adds: "Estates that have been ignored for decades; voters taken for granted; local services that have failed; white working-class voters who feel politicians live on a different planet. In such a political vacuum, the BNP steps in with offers of grass-cutting, a listening ear and easy answers to complex problems." Blears acknowledges that the BNP, under Nick Griffin, has a "cunning strategy", and that it has "started a process of detoxification". Using websites, blogs, newsletters and petitions, it has reached thousands and "played on people's apprehensions". It has peddled, she says, "pernicious but plausible lies". She points out that support for the far right remains small, but says a revival of mainstream politics is paramount in those areas where the BNP is now known to be at its strongest. Her comments echo what some Labour backbenchers and rank-and-file party members have been saying about the BNP's strategy for several years. There have been warnings that BNP activists have targeted neighbourhoods where few people vote in local or general elections, and introduced themselves on doorsteps as representatives of "a party that's like Labour in your parents' days". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Blears may be spot on; BUT, they (NuLab) arn't doing a thing about it: they have overseen a widening wealth gap, gotten us deeper into the EU mire; courted the city and celebs for donations; taken us illegally into two expensive wars; turned the UK into an international joke with "anything goes" immigration non-policies; wasted 10 years of parliamentary time on irritating life style trivia; wasted ?billions on the consequences of privatisations (rail and NHS); saddled future generations with the biggest debt ever known in the UK (PFIs) since lend lease; corrupted our education system in order to promote the theory of equality over merit; undermined family values and parental authority with neo-liberal concepts of child rearing and promotion of child dumping; created social fear and chaos on our streets and Town Centres by liberalising licensing hours and undermining police authority and time on the beat; and finally - encouraged 10 years of easy credit and a culture of personal debt, that has now exploded in their faces. So yes, I suppose working class folk are a bit miffed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kennedy Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 A rather excellent summary Observer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Yes Obs, well said. And you never mentioned Margaret Thatcher once!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Blears may be spot on; BUT, they (NuLab) arn't doing a thing about it: they have overseen a widening wealth gap, gotten us deeper into the EU mire; courted the city and celebs for donations; taken us illegally into two expensive wars; turned the UK into an international joke with "anything goes" immigration non-policies; wasted 10 years of parliamentary time on irritating life style trivia; wasted ?billions on the consequences of privatisations (rail and NHS); saddled future generations with the biggest debt ever known in the UK (PFIs) since lend lease; corrupted our education system in order to promote the theory of equality over merit; undermined family values and parental authority with neo-liberal concepts of child rearing and promotion of child dumping; created social fear and chaos on our streets and Town Centres by liberalising licensing hours and undermining police authority and time on the beat; and finally - encouraged 10 years of easy credit and a culture of personal debt, that has now exploded in their faces. So yes, I suppose working class folk are a bit miffed! Do I take it that you support the smoking ban then Obs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Think we wore that one out in a topic some time ago?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 So the bottom line is (if you take wht Paul has quoted as fact) that people don't actually join or vote for the BNP because they are racist. They don't vote for the BNP if they want to get out of Europe. They don't even vote BNP to kick out all the foreigners...... No, people vote for the BNP to get their grass cut and to have a chat over a cup of tea and help with a crossword!!! ......"In such a political vacuum, the BNP steps in with offers of grass-cutting, a listening ear and easy answers to complex problems" It must be true because Hazel Bliars says so and she is in the government! No wonder this government haven't got a clue folks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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