byrdy Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Stockton Heath centre,taken in 1906,no bars then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Doesn't look much to inspire anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrdy Posted August 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Doesn't look much to inspire anything! No sign of that man in a black coat either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 i wasn't there at the time was busy loking for a new bike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Love the photo Byrdy It looks so tranquil, spacious and inviting. Is that the Mullbery Tree Pub or old 'Hilal' building on the left? I suspect if may be the latter looking towards Grappenhall Road as I can't see the Red Lion Pub on it. I can't quite get my bearings as I don't recognise the building on the left sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Looks like it could be the police station. Definitely the road to Lumb brook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 OOPs.... re my earlier post I meant to say.... Is that the Mullbery Tree Pub or old 'Hilal' building on the RIGHT !!! Thanks Peter re the police station possibility but how come it's changed shape so much ? You are probably right though as I'm having a paticularly 'stupid' week when it comes to using my brain. I used to be blond you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrdy Posted August 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 Taken from Walton road,looking down Grappenhall rd.on the right.Hilal building on the right,(no need for bouncers on the door then!!),Victoria road straight ahead.The MUll & police station out of shot but would be on the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 The one on the left must be Fiona's place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 Got my bearing now thanks to your reminders and standing in the village today waiting for the bloody lights to finally change.... Took a photo from the same spot for comparison but it came out all ghost like and now refuses to open again ... weird Fiona's place is the one with the turret by the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 smartie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 A picture of 'Old Hilal / Victoria ' Building built around 1904 (shown on the right in the photo from Byrdie) compared with a photo I took of the new version last year. Nice to see that some developers do still have the skills and ability to replicate the character of original buildings and also to retain some of the actual original features when they want to ... after some intervention from the locals apparently Hard to believe it was nearly all rebuilt eh ? Anyone know what the building was actually called though as although I call it the 'Hilal Building' that wouldn't have been its name.... also any other history known. All I know is it was also used as a hotel for a time (maybe in the 70's ?). I wonder why the building was never actually protected by English Heritage as the Police Station, Mull Pub and Red Lion all became Grade II listed and the 'Hilal' building seems to be of the same era and style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrdy Posted August 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Anyone know what the building was actually called though as although I call it the 'Hilal Building' that wouldn't have been its name... I'm sure it was always called the *Hilal*,remember seeing an old map(19th.century) of Stockton Heath with that name.(i used to think it was named after the Indian that was there!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I wonder what the natives thought of the design? Probably thought it a monstrosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I always think that things looked nicer back then than they do now comparing to two photographs, I was trying to work out why.. and you know what it is bloody roadsigns if you took out all the traffic management, it would still look picturesque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Didn't there used to be underground toilets where that lad is standing in the sepia photo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrdy Posted August 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Didn't there used to be underground toilets where that lad is standing in the sepia photo? Yes,& they are still there underneath the surface.Might be worth opening them up again now that the other ones on the car park are closed due to........oh well we all know why! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilly Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I think it looked better then, Stockton Heath is really spoilt now, its just not the same place as I knew and requently visited as a child Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Anyone know what the building was actually called though as although I call it the 'Hilal Building' that wouldn't have been its name... I'm sure it was always called the *Hilal*,remember seeing an old map(19th.century) of Stockton Heath with that name.(i used to think it was named after the Indian that was there!) Thanks Byrdy. I was told today that it used to be called 'Halls Cafe' (or something like that). So if that's true perhaps we should all be calling it the 'Cafe Building' now which is about right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 I wonder what the natives thought of the design? Probably thought it a monstrosity. Maybe Peter However, at the time of it's build in the turn of the 1900's the standards and designs of buildings were very high and and often followed the tried, tested and expected victorian/edwardian architecture designs that were expected. Buildings were something that both the architects were proud to produce and builders proud to build with such skill that is sadly lacking these days and each wanted to better their predecessors. Without doubt such buildings were not cheap to build in their time but pride rather than developers greed and profit may have come first in those days Similar design strategies, skills and attention to details can be seen in many of the older buildings in the village such as the Police Station, Mullberry Tree Pub, Stockton Heath Primary School etc etc and also elsewhere within Warrington such as Bridge Street (look up past the borded up facades !! ) and of course across the country as a whole. Nothing like the cheap alternatives we see built today with speed and lack of imagination and of course very limited but accepted life spans. In those days people were proud of their buildings and they were built to last as was expected and they certainly have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Didn't there used to be underground toilets where that lad is standing in the sepia photo? The 'Victorian' underground toilets were just out of shot on the photo. They were directly in front of the Mullberry Tree Pub and to the left of the Police Station (now the village square where the xmas tree goes). I've got a photo of them somewhere but cant find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Didn't there used to be underground toilets where that lad is standing in the sepia photo? Yes,& they are still there underneath the surface.Might be worth opening them up again now that the other ones on the car park are closed due to........oh well we all know why! I thought the old ones were actually filled in So why dd the car park toilets really close then Is it that the current Council are frantically budgeting and cutting costs in any way they can Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byrdy Posted August 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 So why dd the car park toilets really close then Because of the Queers using them!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted August 5, 2008 Report Share Posted August 5, 2008 So why dd the car park toilets really close then Because of the Queers using them!!!! allegidly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 So why dd the car park toilets really close then Because of the Queers using them!!!! WHats this blatent homophobia...are queers not aloud to use public convieniences !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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