Robbo Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 asperity I bow to your superior knowledge on this subject but find it hard to take you seriously. You tell Chrissy to grow up and stop believing everything you read and then try to account for your knowledge by stating But I sdo read a lot You also state that the ice caps are not melting, and yet we regularly see on television chunks of glacier falling into the sea. Having never been to the arctic/antarctic I cannot confirm or deny this to be true. You also state More people and animals get killed by cold weather than by hot weather. Do you have any evidence of this? This site seems to disagree, but maybe I am not reading the same info as you. [/url]http://www.peopleandplanet.net/doc.php?id=2470[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Chaos Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Or read this article as well... http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/525231/world-saved-again.thtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Robbo you are so wrong and Captain Chaos you are so right. The vast majority of people in this country only believe what they are fed by the main stream media. The majority of the main stream media know that disaster stories sell better than non stories (i.e. global warming is a myth so relax). If you want to let the government take all your money to try to fight a non existent enemy then do it, but don't expect me to do likewise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 asperity, when you transfer to an Ice Breaker will you let us know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 and send us the pictures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 why don't we replace the melting ice caps with old fridge mountains...thats close enough isnt it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 I?ve watches several documentaries on this subject and only one thing seems certain in that nobody can be certain just what?s going to happen. The earth may well get hotter (or colder) and there?s nothing neither man nor beast can do to significantly alter this. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 and one day the sun will go out and if we ain't got alternative plans it is over and out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 I have also watched several documentaries on this subject. I have also observed recent weather patterns. What all the "climate change" deniers seem to be ignoring is the fact that more than 90 per cent of the scientific community believe climate change IS taking place and that the activities of the human race are contributing to it. Of course, the members of this forum obviously know better. I mean, they WOULD, wouldn't they! Or is it that they don't want to give up their cars, their foreign holidays, their central heating, their patio heaters, etc, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Egbert You?re so right! I don?t want to give up my car, holidays, central heating etc but you can if you really think it will make any difference. Like most others here, I don?t deny the climate is changing, I just believe that it?s a natural phenomena that's occurred repeatedly in the past and that mans contribution is almost insignificant. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Frankley I personally don't give a flying fudge. If there is global warming, chances are it won't affect me. It won't affect my sons and it probably won't affect their kids too much either. Science will probably find an answer anyway and by which time I will be long dead and dusted I am pretty bloody sure that my ancestors of a few generations ago didn't give a fig what was happening to affect the world I grew up in apart from my immediate ancestors giving up most of what was the British Empire and thus condeming me and future generations to living in a "country" rather than something bigger. A country which is now the open door to every sad and wanting case in the world. We have contributed enough in this country to help the world; let China and India do without their old cars and factories and leave my 3 litre Cosworths alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateoflymm Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 It's a fact of Nature that the climate swings from one extreme to the other every few centuries. We've had more than one Ice Age over the past few millenia and we've also had more than one Temperate Age. In the 17th century Winters were so cold that the Thames used to freeze over and fairs were held on the ice. The climate has gradually warmed since then, I can remember severe Winters (particularly 1947) which we don't get now, and it will probably get warmer still but it's a natural phenomenum. Our great-great-great-grandchildren will, no doubt, be bemoaning the fact that we didn't have feet of snow every Winter when they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Give up central heating? Are you trying to kill the elderly off? the Government actually give people money so that they can keep warm in winter. I don't think this idea will catch on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 The irony is, that the "green agenda" is now being ditched in the wake of ever rising petrol prices, showing that ordinary folk, when push comes to shove, will NOT give up a`carborne lifestyle they have become accustomed to, and the political parties will now begin to reflect this - cos at the end of the day, it's all about votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 I have also watched several documentaries on this subject. I have also observed recent weather patterns. What all the "climate change" deniers seem to be ignoring is the fact that more than 90 per cent of the scientific community believe climate change IS taking place and that the activities of the human race are contributing to it. Of course, the members of this forum obviously know better. I mean, they WOULD, wouldn't they! Or is it that they don't want to give up their cars, their foreign holidays, their central heating, their patio heaters, etc, etc? Egbert it is far from a "FACT" that 90% of the scientific community agree that human activity is causing climate change, unless of course you include such scientific luminaries as Bono and Madonna! In fact more and more real scientists are standing up to be counted and are saying that natural variability is what causes climate change together with the behaviour of the sun. The problem is that natural variability doesn't sell newspapers or convince Joe Public to part with more of his wages in tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Don't use too much water in the garden? That's the latest contribution to the Global warming theory.(see news page.) Are these people for real? Encouraging leaf growth is "GOOD" for the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Perhaps a more telling poll, would be - " do you want a reduction or freeze in the price of petrol/deisel?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 As I said, the arrogant posters on here think they know better than the experts. I will concede that I personally don't know whether mankind is contributing to climate change any more than the rest of you do. Note I said "contributing" - not causing. But all the recent programmes I have seen and articles I have read say that more than 90 per cent of the scientific community are agreed that it is. Some of the selfish attitudes expressed here must be from younger people who have never known what it is to be deprived of anything. I hope they never have to, because I don't think they will be able to cope with it. However, rising oil prices may well price them off the road, and out of the air and even force them to turn the central heating down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianR Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Hasnt Warrington at some point been under ice and also savannah like with wild animals roaming. Our records only go back seconds if you look at the age of the earth. Yet that is being used to say it must be man. We've been hotter than this before without man's influence. I am a sceptic but at the same time, we should take care of this rock better. However reducing CO2 emmissions by 70% (As suggested by Greenpeace) will only put mankind back to the stoneage. We have complied with and are expected to better our Kyoto targets. Why therefore should we do more when others arent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Cheshire was under water at one time (hence the salt mines). One has to laugh at the gullible folk in this country, all doing their bit - while the Chinese are building two coal fired power stations per week, and pumping the fumes into the global atmosphere, thus making our efforts puny and futile. The arrogance of humanity is quite amazing, in that they believe they can control their enviroment; the Chinese and Burmese will testify that nature will always take it's course, irrespective of our puny efforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 The yes camp catching the no camp - but still only 30 votes cast! I presume like the old site only registered members can vote? I know they can only vote once! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazj Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Egbert, go and take your do-gooding scare mongering nonsense to the Chinese and Indians and get them to cut down their massive amounts of polution. No wonder everything is so cheap over there when we have to adhere to all the nonsensical emmisions legislation and they can do what they like. It wont be a case of pricing the UK population out of their cars, we just won't have any money to buy anything if all our industry keep relocating eastwards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 As I said, the arrogant posters on here think they know better than the experts. I will concede that I personally don't know whether mankind is contributing to climate change any more than the rest of you do. Note I said "contributing" - not causing. But all the recent programmes I have seen and articles I have read say that more than 90 per cent of the scientific community are agreed that it is.Some of the selfish attitudes expressed here must be from younger people who have never known what it is to be deprived of anything. I hope they never have to, because I don't think they will be able to cope with it. However, rising oil prices may well price them off the road, and out of the air and even force them to turn the central heating down. And your comment on the elderly freezing without Central Heating????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agamemnon1 Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Peter T and your comment on the elderly freezing without central heating ?????????? Me Me Me again ! Typical of your generation !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egbert Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 The Chinese and Indians are only doing now what we have been doing for hundreds of years so we can hardly expect them to worry about us. As for the elderly freezing to death? Well there's no need for central heating to prevent it. Appropriate clothing is just as effective. But, sadly, it is a fact of life that the elderly pass on anyway. If they live a few years longer it isn't going to help the planet. In fact, it probably worsens the situation. People live longer nowadays anyway. They should be grateful for that. The point you are mostly avoiding is the view of the scientific community. You all seem to think you know better! Why? If you are taken ill, do you go to see a trained, qualified doctor or resort to a Witch Doctor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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