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43 minutes ago, Davy51 said:

These measures sound pretty similar to in March (?) when the public were given advice not to attend pubs /restaurants etc while leaving said establishments in limbo for a week till HMG decided on full closure.

The cabinet Office has put this out recently:

From Monday 14 September, you must not meet with people from other households socially in groups of more than 6. This will apply indoors and outdoors, including in private homes. This change will simplify and clarify the rules on social gatherings, so they are easier to understand and easier for the police to enforce. There will be a limited number of exemptions. COVID-19 Secure venues, such as places of worship, restaurants and hospitality venues, can still host larger numbers in total but groups of up to 6 must not mix or form larger groups. This rule will not apply to individual households or support bubbles of more than 6 who will still be able to gather together. Education and work settings are unaffected, and organised team sports will still be able to proceed, as will weddings and funerals up to 30. From Monday, this limit will be enforceable in law.

Businesses will have a clear duty to support NHS Test and Trace. From 18 September, it will be mandatory for certain businesses to have a system to collect NHS Test and Trace data, and keep this for 21 days. Core COVID-19 Secure requirements will be mandated for hospitality businesses, and egregious breaches enforced. The government has also published simplified COVID-19 Secure guidance, available here.

Bolding is mine and it includes pubs.

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Very informative Con,  however, I'm not sure the Hub, which is often crowded, could provide safe distancing for shielding folk ?    A more attractive option for me would be a drive in facility.     😷 

They are just referring to the document to which I linked above, there is no new information. We have always been in it for the long haul.

Having been out and about around Warrington and on holiday in North Wales I can say Test and Trace is almost none existent. I have also received reports suggesting some businesses where someone h

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So what about those families that ten or more kids how will it affect them?

Mind you it could be a good excuse to shift the "travellers" from illegal sites or generate a few bob toward legal proceeding to shift them....🤔

Wonder how long it will be before the "I TOLD YOU SO" brigade start shouting the odds in parliament. (be interesting to see how much the "expenses" bill comes to this year)..🤨

 

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With Boris wetting appetites with grandiose announcements like the "moonshot" option of 100% testing, while folk don't seem to be able to easily access any currently available testing;  with some folk getting tests they don't really need;  just leaves a trail of confusion.   Meanwhile, they still insist on folk going back to the office and allowing plane travel; and now plan to end the furlough system which will drive the poorest back to work in unsafe environments.   The fact is,  as the vast majority of the population now understand, is that this virus will be around for a long time and thoughts of ending lock down precautions without a comprehensive test, track and trace system in place is foolhardy. 😷

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Are we living in some sort of fantasyland where government ministers can snap their fingers and say 10 million people a day will be tested with the result known in minutes? Even the most innumerate amongst us will realise that this is physically impossible even if the technology exists, which it doesn't. Just as laughable is the claim by the BMJ that this non-existent test will cost £100Billion. How can they possibly calculate the cost of a non-existent test?

Then we have the idea of "Covid Marshalls" being deployed to ensure that we all behave like good little boys and girls. There is no doubt that there are hordes of "Karens and Brians" willing and able to do this job, even unpaid if necessary, but are we going to let ourselves be pushed around by wannabe hall monitors? (No offence intended towards anyone called Karen or Brian reading this, unless you are a "Karen" or a "Brian" 😉).

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Let's be honest when have our political parties really succeeded at anything ? No matter who we vote for there seems to be a mean standard of achievement & service that is served up to the voters. 

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3 hours ago, Evil Sid said:

They succeed in getting elected time after time does that count?.....🤭

It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets elected.

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I think our politicians ' best achievements are agreeing their annual pay rise ,finding jobs for the boys & making sure they have lucrative careers to pursue when they retire or get booted out.

Oh, and never giving a straight answer.

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15 hours ago, Davy51 said:

I think our politicians ' best achievements are agreeing their annual pay rise ,finding jobs for the boys & making sure they have lucrative careers to pursue when they retire or get booted out.

Oh, and never giving a straight answer.

Why does that statement remind me of the spanish inquisition sketch from monty python.....🤔

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Absolutely no rationale or explanation from the Council and here we are well in the ….

You should take extra care with the social distancing chaps without an explanation of why this under controlled we should assume it isn't.

The number of cases per day has now practically reached the revised number that happened in the peak but we didn't know at the time. More testing is being done so the risk is probably less that it was in the peak but we are not being told by how much or what part of the community presents a risk to older folks. Personally I find this unacceptable and irresponsible.

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People are queueing for up to a couple of hours for a Covid test. Why?? Is this virus so deadly to human life that you have to take a test to see if you have it? I'm totally confused by it all.

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I was right all along, this is just a virulent flu.   Everyone is back to work, restaurants are open, casinos are open, life is practically normal.  Covid19 is barely mentioned in the news.

We had five new cases last week in our county, they were all in their thirties and didn't even know they had it.  There were also three deaths, all in nursing homes, all in their nineties, all with multiple health problems and all would probably not have survived the olde thyme flu.  However, take the qualifying info out and panickers like Obs would be locking you down !  It's no big deal, follow a couple of rules so that you don't miss work and you'll be fine.   

How many people do you know, friends of friends, or distant aquaintanances or long lost neighbors have died from covid19 ?

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I am happy for you stallard. even brexit is taking a back seat to this virus over here on the news.

If you read the news pages on here you will know that we had fifteen new cases in a week in warringon alone.

Have lost two friends this last month. One was an old friend of the wife's who was just in her seventies, cause unknown by me at present and one was the secretary of our bowls club who passed away last week who was in his ninerties. again cause unknown by me. both could have been natural causes or may have a tenuous link to the virus.

as for anybody else i would not know as i am taking very few chances being in the "at risk" category and also having two brothers who are now in the same "at risk" category. Result being that i do not go out unless i have to, not that i went out much anyway.

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"what part of I TOLD YOU SO didn't you understand" he says in his best Gordon Ramsey inpression.........🤣🤣

It was always going to happen, everybody knew it would, but ignored the advice anyway. So back to jail, do not pass go, do not collect £200......🤭

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