BoJo's deal ?

[Stallard12]

Wake me up when it's over.

[Observer II]

1 hour ago, Evil Sid said:

"Members of Parliament are not obliged by parliamentary rules to attend the House at any time. ". So basically you can get elected as an mp and then just sit at home watching soaps all day and still get paid?🕵️‍♀️

Think i might stand for the apathy party next year. Their manifesto being "we promise to do absolutely nothing. or it would be if we could be bothered to form a party and actually write a manifesto".🤣

They've been doing it for years years Sid  -   the IRA Party.

[Evil Sid]

16 hours ago, Stallard12 said:

Wake me up when it's over.

I'll dust my ouji board off so my descendants can let me know as well....👻.. "er was that one knock for yes or two?"

[asperity]

Ken Clarke thinks Boris' deal is bad. Therefore it must be good QED.

[Observer II]

Seems Bercow agrees, so has now blocked a vote on the deal -  Parliament is now clearly the enemy of the people and has sat too long for what it can do - G/Election ASAP.

[Evil Sid]

But a general election will change nothing it will still be the same politicians deciding things just a change of which side of the house they sit on.

Be like half time at the footy match when teams change ends.

[Confused52]

All depends on getting the guillotine motion agreed. Then for most of the time the Bill will be in the Committee Stage and that will chaired by the Ways and Means chairman, Lindsay Hoyle and not Bercow. Since it is a Government Bill anything tying future negotiations under the Political Declaration will require a Minister to request Queen's Consent which he will not do. Hoyle will therefore rule such amendments out of order whilst Bercow would not have. The government need Bercow out of the chair for as long as possible. That is the reason for the urgent enquiry about the refusal to offer the meaningful vote. It was a bear trap for Bercow which he fell into. The government did not in fact need the meaningful vote as Clause 42 of the Withdrawal Bill repeals the law that calls for that vote.

Cummings is very good, he has been keeping the boys and girls busy doing exercises to stop then mucking up the real business quite brilliantly. He is at the litmus test point now though.

[Observer II]

3 hours ago, Evil Sid said:

But a general election will change nothing it will still be the same politicians deciding things just a change of which side of the house they sit on.

Be like half time at the footy match when teams change ends.

It all depends how votes are split or not; if Boris teams up with Nigel,  should be a landslide.

[Confused52]

22 minutes ago, Observer II said:

It all depends how votes are split or not; if Boris teams up with Nigel,  should be a landslide.

Boris really doesn't want to team up with Nigel. It would mean constantly having to re-fight the last year of being plagued by a fraction of support that want intrinsically no-deal. It would make the next year of negotiation impossible. The electorate doesn't like landslides, they always go the opposite way if they are told about a landslide. It is a failing, they want strong government but want to vote against it!  Boris and, for that matter Cummings, have never wanted a complete break because it make no sense from a security and lots of other practical reasons. You shouldn't think the EU will just roll over after a no-deal, the spirit of De Gaulle lives on in France - they have as much of a superiority complex as the Scots, indeed historically it is the same one!

[Evil Sid]

2 hours ago, Observer II said:

It all depends how votes are split or not; if Boris teams up with Nigel,  should be a landslide.

But it will still be the same faces we have now rehashing the same arguments and filibustering on, well until they decide to retire to the house of lords and get their free meals a booze plus expenses for signing the sheet once a day.

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All depends on getting the guillotine motion agreed.

Sounds easy enough, pull the string blades goes up, let go of the string blade goes down. Even the French managed to get it in one go.

[Observer II]

Strong Government used to be provided by the tyranny of the Party Whip, and a reliance on the tribal vote.  As that no longer applies over Brexit,  the way is clear for a realignment  - Remain V Leave.    Tories take the Blue areas and Brexit Party take the Lab Leave areas, just requires an informal arrangement.   It will be more difficult for Remoaners to form an alliance as Lab will fight every seat. Swinson will probably lose her seat to the SNP, who will clean up in Scotland.  So if Leave voters want their revenge, it's there to be had.

[Confused52]

1 hour ago, Observer II said:

Strong Government used to be provided by the tyranny of the Party Whip, and a reliance on the tribal vote.  As that no longer applies over Brexit,  the way is clear for a realignment  - Remain V Leave.    Tories take the Blue areas and Brexit Party take the Lab Leave areas, just requires an informal arrangement.   It will be more difficult for Remoaners to form an alliance as Lab will fight every seat. Swinson will probably lose her seat to the SNP, who will clean up in Scotland.  So if Leave voters want their revenge, it's there to be had.

Oh dear, when we have fully left that would really be the wrong way to look at improving society. Remain vs Leave is just a temporary aberration we should stop looking at things that way.

[Davy51]

Of course, a General Election will involve matters other than Brexit as Treeza found out to her disMay & general elections are also notable for low voter turn out which could leave any result in the hands of whichever party gets its voters out in the most force. We could easily end up with a Marxist led government  because so many people will still vote for a Labour rosette even if it is worn by a monkey.

[Observer II]

Sorry Con, but it's not "temporary" at all:  assuming we get passed the deal stage; we've got possibly another two years of negotiations and even a further ten years or more to sort out a new trading arrangement with the EU; during which time, the Remoaners will continue their wrecking tactics designed to soften it.  So Brexit will run and run, and some of us will be lucky to see the end of it.   No doubt Labour long term thinkers, will now be hoping for the disruption they predict as a result of Brexit, to diminish the Tory populist spell, which may give them a comeback at some point in the distant future.

[Observer II]

7 minutes ago, Davy51 said:

Of course, a General Election will involve matters other than Brexit as Treeza found out to her disMay & general elections are also notable for low voter turn out which could leave any result in the hands of whichever party gets its voters out in the most force. We could easily end up with a Marxist led government  because so many people will still vote for a Labour rosette even if it is worn by a monkey.

That could be true Dave, in which case the peasants will be the authors of their own continued repression.