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I voted to leave the EU, but if I had my chance again I would vote to stay.

The proposal of agreement with the EU as it stands to me seems worse then what we had and to crash out seems that we would need to go to the USA and to be dictated by them even more.

The problem we have is that we do not have any leaders with vision., The people who would be in charge would be the very people we have in government and opposition now; the very types that over the years have presided over the claps of UK industry, there is no ICI, no GEC, no car industry, no major British computer company, the people in charge have either presided over its shut down or sale.

Yet we are looking to them to make a success of Brexit and an independent UK

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The Boris method is go with the most confrontational deal ,no deal, to get a good deal. The EU don't want no deal.

Many companies have been allowed to be sold off in order to reduce inflation & bolster government coffers & even to end union power throughout the 70s to the nineties. Straight away this strategy made us dependent on imports.

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Don't forget that many companies have moved to Eastern Europe thanks to grants from the EU. In other words our money being used to remove our industry from our country.

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Jobs have been dispersed throughout the EU as a political share out;  hence the huge reliance complex and polluting supply chains;  UK prosperity has been sacrificed in favour of every tin pot Nation with a basket case economy joining for a piece of OUR money.

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1 minute ago, Observer II said:

Jobs have been dispersed throughout the EU as a political share out;  hence the huge reliance complex and polluting supply chains;  UK prosperity has been sacrificed in favour of every tin pot Nation with a basket case economy joining for a piece of OUR money.

Wrong, the eligibility for money of this sort is based on development needs. So the least developed countries with the lowest wages got the jobs. They were also lost from other high wage EU countries such as Germany, France and Sweden. Davy has complained about this before. Your hobby horse about pollution is not that relevant since many of these jobs are service jobs which industries have reconfigured to allow low cost specialist teams in places like Romania to do detailed planning for jobs all over the UK and then send low paid installers etc to the UK and elsewhere on local expenses to implement. It is just the same as the similar problem with work exported to China and India. I don't think you have been listening to what people have been complaining about.

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Even British jobs have been dispersed recently throughout the EU with  Eastern Europeans being recruited to to perform jobs in Britain from which the encumbant workers have been  made "redundant ".

In the 70/80s  the governments of the day were quite happy to close  coal & steel industries  &,deplete port activity just to crush union activity. Unemployment seemed to be a small price to pay for  crushing union power & bringing in cheap imports. None of the above are  exclusive to EU membership but the closeness of the trading system  facilitated  imports being available both in goods & labour.

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Whether it's exporting jobs to poor economies or importing their cheap labour;   the whole purpose of the EU is level out economic wellbeing throughout the EU;  which means levelling down the richer economies like the UK.

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On 9/6/2019 at 5:13 PM, Observer II said:

Whether it's exporting jobs to poor economies or importing their cheap labour;   the whole purpose of the EU is level out economic wellbeing throughout the EU;  which means levelling down the richer economies like the UK.

Countries like FRance, Italy, Germany, Denmark they still have companies that make cars, trucks, planes and trains, turbines, cranes, chocolate and the list goes on, with a few exceptions the UK has sold off its industrial base or allowed it to close.

There isn't a politician in sight that has the foresight to rebuild it. Both conservative and labour go on about the UK being a leader in renewable technology and electric cars, but they seem to mean Siemens and Toyota having a couple of factories in the UK.

 

 

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Sins of the past Milky, by both Labour and Tories;  when they encompassed the idea global inter dependency and a reliance on the service sector, at the expense of our industrial base.   We're now discovering that we no longer produce essential products, including medicines;  and have to rely on the Chinese for a 5G network.

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The EU has been giving grants to companies to move from the UK to Eastern European members of the EU. Can we leave yet Boris?

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8 hours ago, asperity said:

The EU has been giving grants to companies to move from the UK to Eastern European members of the EU. Can we leave yet Boris?

Won't stop the EU giving grants to companies to move from the UK.

Renault has not left France for example and the Italians haven't sold off their Rolls Royce - Ferrari

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The difference being post Halloween, that the money they dole out, will no longer be OUR money, and we can expect a cat fight in Brussels as to who's going to make up the 20% deficit in the EU budget , not that they will be audited of course !

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8 hours ago, Milky said:

Won't stop the EU giving grants to companies to move from the UK.

Renault has not left France for example and the Italians haven't sold off their Rolls Royce - Ferrari

What Obs said. We've been paying for the destruction of our manufacturing through the agency of the EUSSR.

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What amazes me about the EU is that it is just a bureaucracy that has taken over of the running & "well being" of 27 countries ,promoting its standards & rulings while usurping the governance of its member states. It is just an administration department providing lucrative careers  for countless civil servants  & pen pushers  while influencing  Euro wide politicians  with letting them keep one eye on a seat on the gravy train for when their domestic careers are over. A bowl of cream for the fat cats.

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I see Ms Swinson is now forgetting about a new referendum in favour of a Liberal  Democrat majority  government, or coalition of like minded Parliamentarians,  going straight to a revocation of Article 50. She obviously doesn't trust the voters to give her the right result.

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