asperity Posted September 2, 2019 Report Share Posted September 2, 2019 Meanwhile this treacherous hypocrite is adding to his bank balance by advising the likes of Macron on how to defeat our government's plans to achieve a clean Brexit: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted September 3, 2019 Report Share Posted September 3, 2019 Well, Corbyn continues the tradition of hypocricy - he's been calling for an election for the last three years, but suddenly they've realised that they'll come fourth in a G/Election and are now back tracking from a no confidence vote. Total charlatans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 The MPs have lost their case in the Scottish Court of Sessions. The Judge ruled that the exercise of the prerogative power to prorogue Parliament was not a matter for the law but the stuff of Politics. He them awarded to the Government. Joanna Cherry, the mouth of the SNP, then announced that they would appeal, presumably first to the Inner House of the Court of Sessions and then to the Supreme Court. I expect that will be a further waste of money as it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 The suspension of Parliament is the normal practise at this time of year, to allow for the Party Conference season and for a Queen's speech. The only deal on offer from the EU is the May deal which was rejected three times by Parliament, and the EU are insisting that's their only offer. So no deal is the only option left, if politicians elected on manifestos "to honour the decision of the referendum"; truly wish to respect the will of the people. The reality however, is that the majority of MPs have never had any intention of honouring the referendum and are seeking to renege on the people's wishes. But it seems they haven't got the nerve to test their position at a G/Election. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 The European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 6) Bill 2019: The purpose is to oblige the Government to seek yet another extension to Article 50, this time to 31st January 2020. However, this is the dangerous bit: Clause 3 (2): “If the European Council decides to agree an extension of the period in Article 50 (3) of the Treaty on European Union ending at 11.00 p.m. on 31st October 2019, but to a date other than 11.00 p.m. on 31 January 2020, the Prime Minister must, within a period of two days beginning with the end of the day on which the European Council’s decision is made, or before the end of 30 October 2019, whichever is sooner, notify the President of the European Council that the United Kingdom agrees to the proposed extension.” In plain English, what it means is that the PM, having asked (as the Bill would oblige him to ask) for a 3 month extension, finds that the European Council comes back and says “No, but we will give you a 5 year extension”, would be mandated by Parliament to accept that. No discretion. The decision on the length of the extension would be entirely in the EU’s hands. 5 minutes, 5 months, or 5 years – they get to choose. Not us. This would, in effect, keep us in the EU with no say in any of the legislation they care to bring in, and still having to pay for the privilege of being hostages. The Remainers really are a treasonous bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted September 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 Asp, You are quite right about where the poison is. However there is an antidote available as the behaviour it describe when the EU makes an offer takes away the power to decide from the Government. In doing so it changes the nature of the Royal Prerogative to make treaties. That is known, from the Cooper-Letwin Bill, to have crossed the line where the Queen's Consent must be given to proceed to vote on third reading in the Commons. Queen's Consent is granted or not on the recommendation of the Prime Minister. The possible challenge here is that it is for the snivelling wretch of a Speaker to decide if it is required, and he might try not to do so. The problem is that if he doesn't decide it needs Queen's Consent then the vote will go ahead and it will be difficult to pull back unless the Government seek an injunction against the Speaker requiring him to follow the law. I have not heard that they have yet done so. Instead they have sent the Lords in with sleeping bags to keep filibustering the dreadful Bill. Not sure any of this will work. What an intriguing constitution we have! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 We are certainly living in interesting times Con. Hopefully this has opened a lot of peoples' eyes as to how we have been led up the garden path by our political class for the last 40 years, and that this is reflected at the ballot box at the next General Election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 My opinion is that we are now seeing the death of the withdrawal from the EU which has successfully been scuppered by anti democratic MPs, The government need to make a decision on what deal is achievable ,or none at all, & assess it against our present situation within the EU. It is a tragedy that a vote given to the people has seemingly been hamstrung by self serving politicians & elitists against the majority vote. Perhaps the hankering for well paid jobs in the EU system are more attractive than respecting a democratic vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 The tragedy with this whole affair, is that many will cease to bother voting in elections, saying it's a waste of time, they're all the same, they just ignore us. With low turnouts at future elections, the politicians will cry crocodile tears over it; but will really be delighted that opposition to them has ceased to vote their opinion. But the 17.4 million that have been ignored by these scoundrels, should not, imo cease to participate, but need to oppose these politicians at every election from now on, they are beneath contempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallard12 Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 There are no lengths to which groups of politicians will not go to protect their power and lifestyles. Trump tried to clean up The Swamp and the Democrats, with the help of the press, actually corrupted the intelligence services and used them to try to sink his Presidency ! They were willing to commit treason to protect their interests and employed deep state corruption to promote the false Russian collusion narrative. So I'm not surprised that it occurs in Parliament. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 I think it should be indicated on ballot papers, if a GE does take place, what the attitudes are of each candidate towards Europe . It might help leavers & remainers to cast their preferred vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asperity Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 While it sounds like a good idea Davy. The problem is that, being politicians, they will all lie through their teeth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Politicians ...telling lies......I DON'T BELIEVE IT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Neither do i Sid ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Well, as the Remoaners try to box in Boris, by instructing him (by law) to go to Brussels, asking for another extension; seems Boris really will have to "die in a ditch" ! Or maybe, just ignore any legal instruction from Parliament until after 31st Oct ? In which case, he would appear as a hero to the 17.4 million, and well placed to win an election, when Labour and Co have the guts to face one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted September 5, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Obs, The Bill tells him he has to write a letter. So he will, but the covering letter will point out that he writing only because the law says he must. The law does not say he cannot write a covering letter. When the EU Council 27 ask why he wants the delay he will simply say he doesn't. He doesn't have to ignore the law; but just comply with the letter of the law. That is what the remoaners at the BBC just do not get. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Con, I really do hope your right, as it has made me feel better already ! 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 The remainers on the panel ruined the Fiona Bruce show. Blackford & Thornberry like a couple of stuck records & a vacuous Lib Dem remainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 Totally agree Dave; she gave air time to Labour and SNP, but kept cutting in on Brexit P, the Con and the DJ; she sounded like she may have had a tipple before the show. However, the classic was when Thornberry was asked how Labour would deal with the mess - seems, they would negotiate a new deal (forgetting that the EU has said that the May deal is the only deal on the table), and after securing such a deal, would then take THEIR deal or Remain to another referendum, AND campaign against their own deal in favour of Remain. A complete joke from a bunch of opportunist charlatans, who are now frightened of an electorate who have found them out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 All we need is for Ms Abbott to mastermind the Labour campaign. On the other hand,there is even talk now of the Tories forcing a GE by proposing a vote of no confidence in themselves. I must say,it was heartening to see the east European lady sticking up for Brexit then later taking a Brexiteer in the audience to task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted September 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 Well, Labour and the other opposition parties say they will not vote for a General Election before October 17th, which is the date of the EU council where Boris would have to argue for an extension. So as far as I can see Boris can say that he is prevented from getting anything agreed at all. It does rather seem to me that Labour have just decided that they want the UK out of Europe with no deal. I did not realise that they were truly that thick. They have just painted themselves as the party that opposed a Brexit deal and forced no-deal. They have also forced Johnson to carry on as PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Sid Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 well there is always November the fifth to look forward to i suppose....🧨...🎇...🤔🕵️♀️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy51 Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 It amazes me that ,as the so called party of the working person , Labour has completely turned its back on the popular vote from its heartland constituencies & allowed MPs who have already had a referendum vote to follow their own agendas rather than represent constituency votes. The Labour party is dependent on workers subscriptions & block votes to provide funds & validate the party's existence . It would be good to see grass roots constituency members take MPs to court for misrepresentation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer II Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 This has been the case Dave, ever since MPs who'd been miners, gave way to MPs who were the sons of miners; who, with a University education knew what was good for the Plebs, whether they wanted it or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused52 Posted September 7, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2019 On 9/5/2019 at 9:29 PM, Observer II said: Con, I really do hope your right, as it has made me feel better already ! 😉 There is a further twist that those suggesting they will use the law to force Boris to ask for a delay haven't addressed. In exercising the Royal Prerogative to make treaties the Prime Minister is exercising Common Law powers (the prerogative) hence when he does so he does that as a Corporation Sole called something other than Boris Johnson. He can legally sign the letter as the Prime Minister and not Boris Johnson. The renegade junta are poisoned by their own self-importance and destined to look stupid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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