Climate emergency

[asperity]

Labour wants the government to declare a climate emergency:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48117738

At the same time, shouldn't they also be demanding an immediate halt to immigration? If the present population of the country is driving us to a climate emergency, surely increasing it will only make matters worse! And pushing for fracking and nuclear power stations as urgent considerations.

Of course it's all nonsense as anyone with access to the internet will be able to find out for themselves, but politicians are in the game of declaring everything "an emergency" to keep us plebs permanently terrified and needing government to hold our hands.

[Observer II]

Well there's one thing that trumps all others. and is arguably the main causal factor behind all others -  human overpopulation.  At around 7 billion, global population is set to increase by another 3 billion (equal to the populations of Africa, Europe and S/America combined) by 2050.  The essentials to life, food, water and oxygen are decreasing due to over consumption;  the finite resources of the Planet are simply unable to sustain this level of demand.  So for future generations life looks bleak indeed and I can't see a "civilised" society coming up with any socially acceptable answers.  The Chinese tried the one child policy, which has failed and the Indians won't even bother, making them the highest populated country in the near future.  Ironically, the biggest increases in population numbers will occure in the poorest areas of the earth, like Africa; where richer countries are already buying up land for intensive farming to feed themselves;   which will lead to migratory pressures that we are already witnessing.  It will also lead to resource wars, as competing nations seek to sustain their own populations. With demand exceeding supply, a breakdown in social cohesion and preventative health programmes, will allow nature to apply the final answer, in the form of plagues.   So the kids who were claiming that Brexit stole their futures or climate change is doing the same,  need to stand back and view the real fundemental cause of their doom.

[asperity]

Not my problem.

[Observer II]

Not mine either Asp;   think we've had the best of it, and it's now downhill all the way.

[Confused52]

4 hours ago, Observer II said:

Well there's one thing that trumps all others. and is arguably the main causal factor behind all others -  human overpopulation.  At around 7 billion, global population is set to increase by another 3 billion (equal to the populations of Africa, Europe and S/America combined) by 2050.  The essentials to life, food, water and oxygen are decreasing due to over consumption;  the finite resources of the Planet are simply unable to sustain this level of demand.  So for future generations life looks bleak indeed and I can't see a "civilised" society coming up with any socially acceptable answers.  The Chinese tried the one child policy, which has failed and the Indians won't even bother, making them the highest populated country in the near future.  Ironically, the biggest increases in population numbers will occure in the poorest areas of the earth, like Africa; where richer countries are already buying up land for intensive farming to feed themselves;   which will lead to migratory pressures that we are already witnessing.  It will also lead to resource wars, as competing nations seek to sustain their own populations. With demand exceeding supply, a breakdown in social cohesion and preventative health programmes, will allow nature to apply the final answer, in the form of plagues.   So the kids who were claiming that Brexit stole their futures or climate change is doing the same,  need to stand back and view the real fundemental cause of their doom.

By 2050 the growth rate is projected to be 0.5% and falling. The necessary condition for population to fall is better economic conditions allowing lower child mortality rates and general longevity. This is a pattern seen all over the globe. Reducing the ability for developing countries to grow their economies by restricting carbon dioxide generation is going to kill millions as over population which otherwise would not have happened comes to pass. Agricultural efficiencies and food production have been growing as a result of extra CO2 and the climate morons are putting this increase at risk. They will have blood on their hands by the time they realise what they have done as meeting their arbitrary goals will reduce money for development in needy place and stagnate food production causing starvation. The real problem is water and that needs much more energy for desalination, the power needs to be reliable and more dense in generation than bird mincers.

If you want to feel guilty about something then I suggest that you consider the woeful education given to the current generation of youth that means that they fail to analyse the world around them and be led by the media towards a destructive agenda.

[Observer II]

For millions of years the human population remained steady at around a billion, simply because death rates remained on a par with birth rates. It was with the emergence of medical advances that reduced death rates, that the spike occured in the late 18th C. and the trajectory is set to continue up. The idea that humans will cease to reproduce, and thus see a fall in population levels, is ludicrous. The only countries with estimated reductions in population will be Japan, Russia and E/Europe. The UK will increase by 10million !   Far from feeling guilty, I'll be glad to leave it behind.    😉

[asperity]

Humans haven't actually been around for millions of years. Homo Sapiens appeared around 300,000 years ago, and the world population grew slowly to reach 1 Billion around 1800. It's expected to peak around 2070 at 10 Billion and then decline.

[Observer II]

Sorry Asp;  70 thousand years ago, at least when they left Africa , I was thinking of earlier hominids.  Who actually "expects" "a decline";  other than by some form of global trauma ?

[asperity]

It's because of increasing global prosperity Obs. The more people are taken out of poverty the less inclined they are to reproduce.  Global poverty is falling rapidly and so is the birth rate. The only thing that can prevent this is the effort by the environmentalists to prevent the third world progressing with viable energy production i.e the ecoloons trying to stop poor countries producing affordable electricity and incresing their profitability. For example these nutcases think that by shutting sweatshops in Asia they are somehow helping the people who work in them when, in reality, they are removing the employment that keeps them from starvation.

[Observer II]

I've no doubt that advanced technological and educated societies will produce more reproductively responsible results;  but if two people produce more than two kids and live to a ripe old age, the birth rate exceeds the death rate, thus increasing population.  However, in the Third world, partly due to ignorance and religions, and to a lack of elderly security; you have population explosions, despite all the wars, disease, natural disasters and famines that regularly afflict them. It's in these poorer areas that the problem will be greatest and coupled with the disparities in wealth, creates the pressures and incentives for the mass migrations that we're already witnessing.  Now there are theories out there that suggest, through the eventual demise of the Y chromosome, males will become extinct, even if LGBT social pressures don't do it earlier !   😉

[Stallard12]

If there is a problem, I guarantee, it won't be fixed by the government!

[Observer II]

😉       Well, there is a faint solution on the horizon Tex;  where education (especially of young girls) is a funded priority,  the evidence seems to confirm that empowered women exercise more control over reproduction.  Given the £billions being thrown at them in overseas aid, one would expect results.  But political corruption by their own leaders and agricultural exploitation by rich countries, seems to be holding progress back.  But even with such progress, unless a more educated population actually choose to have less or no kids, I can't see a reduction in overall numbers happening.

[Observer II]

Perhaps another disincentive would be to scrap family allowance payments - especially for MPs !

[Davy51]

Just watching all the seething masses on the news. Demonstrating all over the world apparently. 
Considering how these are supposed to be everyday but savvy school kids ,they are pretty good public speakers....so good as to say they come across as if they have been coached in the arts public speaking, agitating & general rabble rousing, specifically for this campaign.

[asperity]

What is really concerning is all the so-called adults listening to them and hanging on every word. We're doomed I tell ye, doomed!

[Davy51]

Too true Asp .  What next ,the beatification of Ms Thunberg ?

[asperity]

There is no "climate emergency". The weather isn't getting more extreme, there aren't more weather related disasters or more deaths than ever. In fact if you do a bit of research you will find that the opposite is true. We have been told many times over the last 50 years or so that we are heading for disaster if we don't throw more (taxpayers) money at some imagined problem. It's all nonsense of course, a scam designed to separate us from our money. China and India, the two biggest polluters of the atmosphere, are demanding that the rest of the world pay them to carry on doing what they are doing. Madness.

[asperity]

1 minute ago, Davy51 said:

Too true Asp .  What next ,the beatification of Ms Thunberg ?

Saint Greta of Asbergers perhaps?

[Davy51]

I was reading a news article a couple of weeks ago about a shrinking glacier in Alaska.  Alarming maybe, but it also stated that this glacier has been disappearing since 1750.  There certainly would have been no man made  causes about then .

[asperity]

There's a lot of interesting information on this site:

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/

[Stallard12]

These catastrophic predictions have occurred countless times in my lifetime and non have come true.  I'm still waiting for the ice age predicted in the fifties and for the planes that didn't fall out of the sky at the turn of the century and for New York to be under 20 feet of water as predicted by Al Gore etc etc. They tell me that the glaciers are melting and when I say oh? I can see them, they're  still there. They say, ah, but they have shrunk a sixteenth of an inch over the last fifty years !  All these were the products of supposedly scientific minds.

It doesn't help the case, that pretty much all politicians and activists promoting this are nut cases and morons (that's a given).  They have no expertise in this matter, they just swallow whatever garbage they hear on the news.  Plus, all of the 'scientists' are making a hell of a living off what is a natural weather pattern.  Over the past sixty years while I have been in Texas, we have had two hurricanes some years, one hurricane some years and sometimes non.  The weather fluxuates naturally.

It would be comical if it wasn't for the fact that the so called solutions will destroy countries economies and China and India will be happily polluting away regardless.

[Observer II]

The same age group were in tears after the Brexit result, saying their futures had been stolen -  their futures of travelling the world and clocking up a carbon footprint.   

[asperity]

[Observer II]

Had to laugh at the anecdotal tale of the father, who's kids went on school strike and attended one of these climate protests, without telling him.  So when they got home, he informed them that he would no longer be taking them to school in the car and they would now have a 45 min walk to school.     Sounds like good parenting and a reality check for the  kids.   😉

[asperity]